Risk Assessment and Method Statement

[Hills]

Hi There

Just picking all your brains.

Ive been asked by a client to provide a Risk Assessment and Method Statement for Airbrushing Tattoos.
Does anyone out there already have one that they wouldnt mind sharing with me, as this is the first time Ive been asked for either, and Im not sure what sort of thing to put down.
If you do have one and dont mind sending me what you would use, it would be very much appreciated.

My email address is hillfamily35@blueyonder.co.uk

Many thanks to anyone out there who can help.

Caroline
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[Norm]

Firstly, Welcome to AirbrushTECH! I don't have that info available, but I'm sure one of our folks here will have an answer for you.

[Skids]

i dunno either....sounds like their next question will be about insurance tho-!

has anyone checked the PENTHOUSE?

[Hills]

No, Ive already got the insurance.

Its just the Risk Assessment and Method statement Im looking for.

NB: Skids - PENTHOUSE??? Is that some kinda joke or something?

[Skids]

Skids is being a nut. Don't mind him... he can't help it.


whooo?... Meeee??

[Neil]

This is a new one for me.Seems they want to know what risks are involved and what we or they can do to to minimize them. That's why we have insurance.If they want more than your insurance certificate I personally feel that they are going to be more trouble than they are Worth and would move on.
~Neil

[Hills]

Thanks everyone for your help, and if anyone else comes up with anything else on the subject, please still share.

More and more clients are understandably (excuse my spelling) wanting to cover their Arses more and more due to the "Sue Society" that we are now living in.

Sad but unfortunatly true.

I already carry £5 million Public Liability Insurance, but thats not enough for some :-(

[Ladypainter]

I'm with Neil on this one....

Just be certain that you work smart and safe with standard precautions and use only professional cosmetic products.

[Skids]

I'm still looking for statistics regarding reactions on the various temp tattoo vs. cosmetic type paints, if anyone has any REAL info on the subject.....info involving real human court settlements vs. Lab Rabbits who've been applied by Tammy Faye Baker for a year.

[Ladypainter]

Temp Tat paint should be cosmetic grade....

I don't think you'll find reaction stats anywhere. That's just not something any legal advisor wants floating around...

Does this same vendor ask for the same info from the cart selling chocolate covered strawberries????? Or the peanut covered carmel apples?

Ask for the MSDS from your paint line.... that is a common enough request used to show that the products in question is what it is.

[sweet loretta]

This is an issue covered at length in forums for face painters (now all on google).
Sorry I don't have one nor the time to research it.

However unless this is a huge $$ client I talk my way around it - your insurance should be enough. And only insured professional - insured in face and body art - should be spraying on people.

[sweet loretta]

And really Skids .......... are you coming out with your own line of paint????

What comapny really releases stats on if the prodect is not 110% great!

[Skids]

And really Skids .......... are you coming out with your own line of paint????

What comapny really releases stats on if the prodect is not 110% great!

No Loretta, I'm NOT in the paint biz, I'm in the airbrush biz, I'm honestly just looking for a real reason to switch from temp tattoo paints to cosmetics other than I heard it from an internet forum! If there are reports of reactions to the paints I'm currently using, I, of course, wanna know! FDA jargon doesn't impress me, I'd like to find someone who KNOWS that temp tattoo paint is dangerous with data to back it up. If you don't have the data I think it's wrong for you to say one is better than another.

Since you brought it up are you coming out with your own line of paint? Do you have a proffessional reason to promote one type paint over another?


I respect your experience and talent in your field of expertise girls, but this is an airbrush forum, and i feel like that if you're going to in effect say that many of us are hurting people in our practices, please have something to back it up other than one product "appears" safer than another.....please?...pretty please?...with "I'll switch if you'll prove it" on top?

[Ladypainter]

Professional cosmetics are made from ingredients that the FDA deems safe for use on the skin... so that should address the Safety issue of the product that is in the jar.

Now... people CAN be alergic to a specific pigment - red for instance. Or an ingredient in a cosmetic product... latex of instance. That is why we harp on patch testing... Is this the fault of the product? Again, I use the strawberry or peanut analogy. The older a person is, the more likely they are to know of a specific reaction or issue.

AND.... not every cosmetic is approved for use on the face.... or should be used near/on the eyes and lips.

Understanding products AND how to properly apply them is the responsability of the artist.

[Skids]

Professional cosmetics are made from ingredients that the FDA deems safe for use on the skin... so that should address the Safety issue of the product that is in the jar.


The way I see it, that DOES NOT address any real safety issues, It isn't hard to find instances of the FDA being wrong in their accessment of products. I personally have been up close and personal with their being VERY wrong!

I understand that one might be semi-covered insurance-wise with using FDA approved products, and please, don't take me wrong, the only reason that I speak to you about this is that I'm hoping that you might be privy to information that is relavent. I'd think that the marketers of a superior FDA approved product might have the resources and ambition to do the research to prove their competitors products incompetant. All that would take is documenting instances of substancial reactions to the inferior product, which would no doubt bring on a class action legal suit against the company, which would in effect eleminate the competition....am I wrong?

The bottom line is that the FDA has a terrible track record in their practices and accessment of the actual safety of products...that's just a fact easily proven.

If there are no documented cases of reactions to temp tattoo paint, why do you feel compelled to repeatedly refer to it as an inferior product?

[Ladypainter]

I do not believe you going to get an answer that satisfies your need for a guarentee of safety... if FDA guidelines are not good enough, then go for European products that also need to follow additional guidelines.

"I'd think that the marketers of a superior FDA approved product might have the resources and ambition to do the research to prove their competitors products incompetant"

There is no way on this green earth that one company is going to acuse another company publicly of not being as safe as they are. Even if they are correct - the law suits would be prohibative. This is called slander and a bunch of other high $$$ words.

Many of these cosmetic manufacturers pool from a common ingredient list. The BEST these manufacturers can do is use the best quality ingredients they can. Do they? One look at "black henna" tells us that no, it is always going to be "customer beware" at the end of the day.

And again, their will ALWAYS be someone who is alergic to some cosmetic ingredient - it doesn't matter if it is body paint, lipstick, face cream or anything else 99% of the population does not have a problem with.

We cannot legislate a perfectly safe life.

Other than non-cosmetic paints used on the body, what do I "feel compelled to repeatedly refer to is an inferior product"?

[Skids]

Other than non-cosmetic paints used on the body, what do I "feel compelled to repeatedly refer to is an inferior product"?

Just the Temp Tattoo paints that alot of us use!

With any product, if there are alot of problems with it, it gets taken off the market. If MY kid had a reaction to something, I'd put the info out there and find others dealing with the same thing, and if there were problems with Temp Tattoo paints I believe we'd know about it.....we'd be hearing from artists who were facing lawsuits because of it.

Like I said before, I respect you and your work, It just bothers me when you put down a product that has an excellent safety track record and is used extensively by airbrushers the world over for doing temp tattoos.

IMHO you bring much important info and advice to the forums here, why the need to put down perfectly good products? I'm trying to understand your motive for doing that!

[Skids]

I do not believe you going to get an answer that satisfies your need for a guarentee of safety...

I'm not looking for a guarantee of safety, I'm looking for substancial proof that the TEMP TATTOO PAINT that 1000's of airbrushers are using isn't safe!!

You're riding the "FDA approved" train, and that train don't float to prove that something is safe. the FDA proveably has a pretty bad track record in that respect.

as far as throwing the word "cosmetics" around, that's just another word for PAINT!

[Ladypainter]

I've NOT put down Temp Tattoo paints...

So now I'm completely confused.

Most of my body paint is done exclusively with alcohol based body paint which is also sold for temp tats.... So, since I'm covering models head to toe in this stuff and they wear it for hours on end, I'm very aware of safety concerns and the products.

Alcohol based body paints are not approved/suggested for use on the face/eyes/lips - depending on the specific product and manufacturer.

I'm not riding the FDA approval train... it is just a matter of using the best available guidelines there are. And even then, I'm constantly having to explain to new artists how Non Toxic does not make a product safe to use on the body.... an "approved" product can easily be misused - makeing a "safe" product "unsafe".

It is all about if a product is used for the purpose it was created for.

Cosmetics is a subset of paint. With a very specific set of ingredients. So, in this discussion, cosmetics is the best word I know to describe Temp Tattoo paints. Those are the regulating set of guidelines that the manufacturers are to follow.

[Skids]

[QUOTE=Ladypainter;123781]I've NOT put down Temp Tattoo paints... /QUOTE]

you're absolutely right Ladypainter....I had your post confused with Lorettas, and you have my most sincere appologies!

[sweet loretta]

Sorry, I was unable to follow this thread - but I'm glad now.

Look I never promoted one brand over another. Nor did I post temp tattoo paints aren't cosmetics. Temp Tattoo Paints are cosmetics. I too got confused Skids as I read thru the thread. I don't have any different practices than LadyPainter.

I do temp tats, face art and paint head to toe, with a couple of brands I like that I think are better that some others based on my experiences, environment, application techniques and personal choice. All are respected know brands in the cosmetic (the world of beauty and stage make-up) industry and face and body art (the world of face and body painters including those who do temp tattoos) industry.

Skids if you read I posted something other than this - you're way off.

Done with this topic - good luck on the search for what ever it is you are looking for.

[Skids]

from post #31 in the questions thread I posted in this section.....

"Not one of the group and gatherings of face and body artists I mention will allow you to paint or compete using the crap some guys are out there using. We do pride ourselves in having ethical standards when it comes to painting people. Those using anything other than cosmetics are unethical as not following the standards set forth but the industry. Listing something as non-toxic in an MSDS does not mean it is appropriate or intended for use on people."