One for the lacquer masters

[AndyW]

I have been asked to put an image on the side pannel of a 1966 Honda cb77.

The pannel is silver, cleared over. Now as I dont want to touch the paint, was looking at toothing all the original finish, putting the image on then clearing again.

Heres the nub, could a modern clear be used over the original finish and as long as prepped correctly have no issues, as I say really don't want to break through to the paint underneath.

[0patience]

The problem is, not knowing what kind of clear was used, it could be alright or it could lift.

Some clears it works alright, some clear end up in a big wrinkled up mess.

Personally, unless I get a newer vehicle, if it has a clear, I remove it or do a test spot.

I've had some older classic cars that were cleared that I had no problems with, but others that the entire clear coat had to be removed, cause it wrinkled as soon as anything hit it.

Just a thought.

[AndyW]

Cheers for that, been having the same thoughts myself, might not have been too bothered if it was a normal solid colour underneath, but with it being silver don't want to dull the paint.

[ABD]

Tried doing some searches on the original paint..Can't find diddly!...LOL...Figured if you could get a silver match in todays paint system..take some of the guess out of things..Strip and start from scratch..

[AndyW]

One thing I could probably get an extremely close match, the four areas silver are both side pannels and both fenders, even if it was a touch off, because of the separation between for comparison of colour, would get away with it. Been there done that. Only I knew an bugged the crap out me lol.......nobody else could tell the diff.

Know where I can go and stare at 20 odd silvers lol..........

[ABD]

The auto store where i get my paint has a color chip book to peep thru..Dunno what they got over in your neck of the woods.

I have a HOK chip book I could snap pics of silvers..LOL...But then puter monitors and all that messing with the real color...haha

[AndyW]

Cheers Dell, just remembered where I got the paint for my bike, best supplier in the UK, they have a match for 30,000 colours, going 30 years. Very helpful folks I remember.

All you do is give make an model and they nail it 100%, Large rattle can around $25, about $55 for a 17oz ready to put in the gun mix, prethinned for exact mix, just stir pour an spray lol.....an their stuff is good, believe they are the major supplier for doing bikes in the UK, normally if you go into the bike shop the dealers point you to them.

http://www.motorbikepaint.co.uk/

So think may have answered the question, to be sure, strip it back and start from the base up, then I'll know it is all sound and compatible as I'd get the primer paint an clear all from them.

[ABD]

So think may have answered the question, to be sure, strip it back and start from the base up, then I'll know it is all sound and compatible as I'd get the primer paint an clear all from them.

Good deal..So long as the owner isn't dead set on keeping with the original finish..Be the way to go I think.....Seeings how he wants Airbrushing I doubt he's a stickler on original.

[Cowboy]

Not knowing what kind of an Image Andy, Or What Kinda side Panel or Material it is . Hard to guess .Dont Recon You Know if its The Original Finish or not either .

First Thoughts Are One Shot, Not Needing to Be Cleared . Not Sure If You can Pull of what Ya have in mind though.

Second Thought is If Yoy can test the Paint on the Inside , Underside or what Have Ya , Without being Noticable , I,d suggest a Wipe in a Very small Area with Laquer thinner, & see if any paint comes of Or how the Clear reacts.

Most Times , If You Get No Clear or color on what You Do the wipe with. & It Doesn,t Wrinkle Or discolor in the Least, Yer ussually Perty Safe Using a Uro Clear over it after Prepped Right. Just Dont Soak it, Dust Coat, Then a lil Heavier, Then the Gloss coat .

IF , You Get any Kind of Reaction to the Laquer thinner, Might be Best to walk away, Unless Their Ready to spend the bucks for a Complete Makeover. Just My 2 bits. Best of luck.

[AndyW]

He loves the bike lol, has 9 of em, 3 spare engines an various bits so there is some debate whether he will have it on a bike, get the feeling it is the assosciation of the image with the bike. So having the particular image on a piece of that particular model is the thing that has fired him up.

Think part of the story got lost in translation as the original interest was passed to me by a third party, who I think is hard of hearing lol.......... it wasn't actually owned by (don't think) as has so many bits to offer to paint, tank or pannels lol......more because it is the same type......

Now there is lots of head scratching through cryptic messaging lol...........as I am doing the homework but don't want to get too excited in case it falls through, an I think at the end of the day that happening would be more likely to be me.

[AndyW]

Ta mucho CB, original factory finish, no touch ups or repairs.

Might just drop an email to that paint company I mentioned, see what they say over the compatability issue, then have options to give him, probably going into battle with Etac EFX, will be a photo/portrait sort of a deal, well thats the master plan.

Even if he or I, walks away, still going to try the image as a practice piece for myself as a challenge. Cause f I nail it anyway close I'll be jumping through hoops lol.........

[Shiva]

Dupont has available-and i cannot quickly find the address, a color formula source..
tell them what you got, all the details and they can tell you a NEW equal to that color..

IF you are totally uncertain of whats on there now, take a very very hidden spot and touch a rag dampened with lacquer thinner to the clear..if it does ANYTHING to it, then you know you got a serious situation.
personally, talk to the OLD bikers and ask them if lacquer held up to gas spills on the tank.. I am thinking this is single stage stuff..

[AndyW]

Thanks for the tips John.

[Cowboy]

I Knew I Heard that somewhere, LMAO

[AndyW]

I Knew I Heard that somewhere, LMAO

Lol can't have too much good advice.

Meant to say CB had thought about the one shots as well, looking at a monotone pic, would need to reduce the hell out off it, still maybe a bit of experimentation is in order.

Was talking with Dell about one shot before, an he reckoned I should give them a play anyway. There is no rush for this so I can play every which way, even on a spare fender I have, with the one shot, for the surface.

Lol can't have too much good advice.

[AndyW]

Just a little update.

Heard back from the bike paint people, basicaly as well as the tests suggested the only addition was to spray a test area as well.

They reckon as long as the old laquer is well matted then the new laquer should go on nicely with no complications, so that sounds a bonus.

Many thanks for the input folks as always greatfully received. :ybeer1:

[minniemouse]

Howdy Captain,
Becuase were over here, this is what I use:- 3M Fine Scotch Pads and Matting paste, wash off. Then panel wipe and your ready to spray. that way you can laquer over the entire piece or just a panel, depending on what your working on.
Its quick, simple and effective - works every time.
Hope that helps. MM x

[AndyW]

:nature-smiley-003:Many Hugs for the info matey lol........ The thing was the laquer issue Minnie, being the finish was 66, but it seems like a 95% should be good to go as you described.

[redanner]

Back in my acrylic lacquer days I would have recommended a complete strip and a new lacquer painting with a urethane clear finish after the lacquer cured. That's how lifting was resolved in the 70's & 80's for me. I refused to take responsibility for that route. Customer would have to pay more if they wanted me to paint over factory finish. The last thing ya want is for your art work the need to be done more than once.

I'm using my new Compaq laptop that I got for my birthday on Wednesday! Its going to take some getting use to this glide point!

[AndyW]

Hey Bob, congrats on another year and many more as well.

Have been hearing the same.

Trying to get to the bottom of it but it maybe something like this, yes you have the regulations now regarding the use of "Enviro" friendly paints, however if a job is classed as a restoration, on a classic, anything over 25 years in the UK, then I believe you can obtain the compatible if not the same paints etc, to maintain the cars etc original finish.

Hence the bike paint specialist with the usual trials and precautions are confident that the laquer that they would supply me with shouldn't have any issues.

I am getting the side pannels sent over Crimbo so I can carry out hopefully the hidden tests, and give the bloke the verdict.

Again thanks all.