tshirt peek

[XZOTIC INK]

ok, heres my own stuff, createx on white tshirt, GIVE IT TO ME RAW, please i want too improve, xzotic inkhttp://www.airbrushtech.info/AIRBRUSH/forum/images/smilies/speechless-smiley-016.gif

[XZOTIC INK]

i did not intend to offend anyone w this design, it was just i was looking to show something that does not look so cartoon like, trust me, the first thing my family said instead of "wow your skills are improving" is what is with that middle finger, why is she naked, blah blah blah, and i just shook my head and went back to the drawing board.. but thats what i need to hear! :angry-smiley-030:

[AirTodd]

I thought it is a nice pic.I just don't think you need the number one sign tho.Maybe she is say that she the number one hot babe on the beach and (F) the haters.Hehehehe.

[mongoose]

I thought it is a nice pic.I just don't think you need the number one sign tho.

I agree with Airtodd on this one, althou I think you did a very fine job on it.

[Frog]

I think you did a very good job there, though I agree the finger is distracting.
If you are trying to lose the cartoon look and be more realistic I think you need to soften the transition between colour blends. Try not to use black.


Michael

[Icewolf0927]

I have to agree with frog about the black. I think it takes away from the picture. I would also move her down on the shirt. Over all i like the design.

[XZOTIC INK]

Heres the deal anytime i do realistic stuff its looks like a cartoon and than it turns horrible. Than i constantly go for that black and than kick myself in the as.. After. This is the first time i ever played with paints, i am so use to colored pencils. Even the white, in colored pencils it gives it like a soft blend, and in paints it frost the shirt, i all confused. check out the anna nicole smith painting AND THANKS FOR VIEWING

[Whit]

Personally,,, I tend to finish a piece with
an overall yellow !!! For me,, it pulls it together
but as a result I've found that instead of a
black,,, a purple,, instead,, gives the nicest
transition from a dark "outline" to a smooth
blend of rich browns when the yellow goes
over the piece !!! Also I've a tendency to use
the purples instead of a lot of browns as well
for this same reason !!! BUT,,, this is just a
personal thing,,, just do what works for you !!!
You've captured a good mood here,, the finger
is a bit harsh,, but only because it tends to
contradict the mood you've captured !!!
Some Nice Work Here !!!:partyalone:

[colourshift]

I personally love to use a warm grey mixed with violet for shadows...sometimes a little ultramarine mixed in as well. I tend not to outline anything, if I can help it - but then again, I'm not religiously 'freehand' either (call it a lack of control, or whatever)...I use whatever I can get my hands on to give the look that I was after...

Welcome to the Board!

[zackarybancroft]

It's nice. I'm not going to be too raw, even if you want us to be. There is a few things that looks a little odd. Like her belly button. But still, it's a nice lookin t-shirt.

[XZOTIC INK]

it looks like a deep hole in her stomach, i never realized how big it was until now, dam its a cave!!!!:)

[Stephen Casey]

Nat this is from a dude waiting for his first airbrush to arrive....

What I do like about the image;
Shows the ability to express the subjects feelings in the and body. Shows you have the capacity to do realistic. At the same time I must mention If your inclination was or is to do cartoonist styles, there is nothing wrong with that and a good living can be made in that style. Like you said you have a lot to learn about the craftsmanship of airbrushing, but so do the very best AB artist here and elsewhere on the internet. We should all learn every day. Thats a huge part of the fun!

What I do not like about the image;

Finger is too long, left hand is masculine. Abdomen muscles seem not to be planned well. Do several painting from a particular reference image so anatomical issues are less of a concern.

Take all your black paint and get it out of the house as it is not your friend for now. If she has been in the water I would think her hair would be laying flatter. There should be some glistening streaks of water down her body and especially around the area where the water meets her belly. The background is the greatest distraction for me. She IS done in a realistic style yet the background is too psychedelic=cartoonist.

Keep at it, you show a lot of promise.

[XZOTIC INK]

i know i know, the more i looked at this tshirt, i said why does her hand look like a mans hand? I think some of the color made the hand look masculine. ok the backgrounds, should i just stay clear for now and focus on the main subject, i never know what to do in the background, and im sorry "forget that dam halo thing" No offense to the videos painters that stress it for newbies. I hate doing that dam thing even thou it does help. See the hair was trickie, it started out complete blonde and then it looked too flat, im not sure if that is due to always using colored pencils, and than i drowned it in black, than i had too with the opague white pull it out again to give it a texture, like a hair look. Im gonna do it again, without the finger and the background, matter of fact ill post it step by step. These small tips are opening my eyes, i NEED THEM, keep them coming, thanks..and yes ITS A BIG BATTLE w the cartoon look, i only make the money w the cartoons, so YAAA for them, but i want to start pushing my talents harder, bigger and better. :dog:

[Stephen Casey]

Push baby push! Always stretch your self, yet pay the bills.

Natalie, read Whits post below a couple more times there is some really good stuff in there. Reinvent the wheel after you can carve a decent round wheel like the other villagers. And I mean this, get the black paint out of the house for a while. You do not need it!

Blank background for now is just fine. Practice some lettering on another piece of cloth, a word or two can fill the void if there is a need later. Personally I liked the position of the figure as her face drew me to the wearer. But the left hand being in a different pose might move the whole figure. Natalie the left hand is not masculine because of the black. Its masculine because it is edgy. The edges and flats of female hands just as female faces are softened in comparison to a mans. A womans eyes for instance is NOT bigger than a mans. Their brows and cheeks are smoothed out, that is the difference.

Here is a tip to help with such realism problems. Grab a magazine or two with lots of pictures of people (not touched up model images) turn them upside down and study the the relational dimensions of there faces and the contours of the hands and faces. You will quickly gain the ability to see that the eyes really DO land in the middle of the head with the mouth closed. The eyes really ARE each 1/5 the width of the head. Also drawing a full figure with the source image upside down is a great exorcise to strengthen realistic portraiture.

A mans hand from wrist to the tip of the center finger is about one heads length. A womans is 3/4 of her heads length.

I hope you upload a picture for your avatar, you are cute as a button.

[ABD]

Some great advice above...I'm not much for tips and whatnot..Still guessing myself, it's always a crapshoot.........I will say i think you nailed the right hand...It looks great, (not just cuz where it's positioned either)........Keep at it! And keep postin em up!:clapping2:

[XZOTIC INK]

yes, i know that exercise with drawing upside down to see things as shapes instead of what the brain wants u to think. I didnt know the other stuff about the math in the eyes and stuff? I will check magazines, i like what im hearing, GOOD ADVICE, FRESH ADVICE! when doing the image again, i will post it piece by piece, this way i can see better correcting my mistakes. I have to pull my reference photo out tonight, and compare what i thought i saw, to what really is there on the picture. Please keep them coming, it would be great to see this actually get better, or just become another junker in the rags section. I will reread all the advice before i begin and as i am in the middle of doing it. My reference photo is a terrible photo copy of a women in the water positioned like this. Im going to try and look closer tonight. Next time ill find a better reference from a magazine with clearer images. I know that also is very important, so for the stomach part your saying i should go find another one to replace this flat stomach, like from a fitness mag? :speechless-smiley-0

[ABD]

This pic any help for Ref??

[Stephen Casey]

You might also try sketching the skeleton of the figure. Just horizontal and verticle lines showing the direction of orientation and placement. I am a sculptor so that is my way of doing things. This non-fleshed figure helps to get the relational lengths of finger bones etc correct. I am a sculptor and with an armature underneath it is really hard to get it very wrong. Easier to erase a few lines of a sketched skeleton than a sculpted or painted fleshed figure. Then you can paint over your skeleton. If the skeleton is done in a light yellow or background color it can disappear behind the image as you flesh it out.

Natalie I would suggest working with the reference image pasted to one of the corners of your canvas. This practice should be followed until you could do better with out it. Perhaps a year from now? You can scan the image and print it in black and white as an alternative or compliment reference. As for the belly etc, not so much muscle magazines as they are not normal bodies. Yet helpful in that they show definition of what is going on under the skin of normal or the extra healthy image you are likely to want to portray. The magazine rack is your friend just remember advertising model images are often altered considerably and are USELESS. Faces and theighs are narrowed, Brows smoothed, boobs inflated, even on the most voluptuous models. I use the mag racks mosty for hair styles, they are very helpful in that.

I make great use of the screen capture feature in Power DVD. Your can see the subject turn and move around quite a bit before you choose the pose and light source etc.

As for the formulas for the average human dimensions I will mostly leave that up to you to research. Do your own Googling. You will value and utilize information hard earned. You will find contradictory formulas but all vaguely similar, Da Vinci's are commonly used. I use a custom mixture of several sources. The first that comes to mind is a delightful book:

"Creating Life-Like Figures in Polymer Clay" by Kathrine Dewey.

She covers the various proportions of the body quite well even if sculpting is not your bag. Here is her website.

Human Proportioning:
http://www.elvenwork.com/tips.html#seven

Her current gallery, this page has my favorite polymer clay scultpure "Mab Held Out Her Hand."
http://www.elvenwork.com/elvsamp2.html

Hope this helps.

[XZOTIC INK]

i couldnt make out where or who the terrible photo copy came from, i put it in with my stuff and after a while it got filed, and i was trying to make out who the person was, and what celebrity? but your photo you downloaded is PERFECT, can you do it again? but the whole picture so i can print it out, it only shows her in a small box and the stomach, i would like to see a clear print out of the whole photo. Even when i google the image it does not seem as clear as yours, funny I thought I remembered it was CHRISTINA AGULERIA, but because the face was so far fetched , my copy was so out of focus that i couldn't seem remember. WHEN your good your good! Thats skill to see a painting and know who it should be! me, i forget my own paintings who they should be, THATS TERRIBLE ON MY PART. hee!:clapping2: :cheers:

[ABD]

yeah i knew who it was right when i saw it..(your pic) That's how i found the ref so easily.........I'll try and get the full version for ya.

[Stephen Casey]

ABD is right the right hand looks great. Looks like ABD knows your source art. That image is of a challenging attitude not a deathly attitude. (You said you wanted RAW.) Also notice the greater contrast in lighting, large areas in shadow. Notice the water running down her belly near the water. This is from the water recently moving about. Notice the dark blues and browns. There is no black in that image. The right hand is difficult to do well in this case. But remember even fully extended the knuckles on that middle finger would show and there is a curve to the finger. Her hair is heaviest-fullest on top, that is why it lays flatter.

If you really want to know the musculo-skeletal sphere of the human body visit the medical reference section of a large book store. Not necessarily cadaver atlases, there are plenty of polite muscle atlases but all study will reward you in your realism efforts. Here are a couple link and then I am off to clean my studio.

My primary book source for human body musculoskeletal
http://www.thieme.com/SID2346673444127/productsubpages/pubid1108650829.html
Amazon is more expensive but has some user reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/General-Anatomy-Musculoskeletal-System-THIEME/dp/1588903583/ref=sr_1_7/104-3131938-6595163?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173311091&sr=8-7

Kathrines books.
http://www.elvenwork.com/book.html
Amazon is again good for reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Life-Like-Figures-Polymer-Step/dp/0974153001/ref=sr_1_1/104-3131938-6595163?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173311217&sr=1-1

[XZOTIC INK]

Its not that i can find it now that i saw your picture reference, i just cant seem to get it so clear like yours, let me keep checking..I thought you had it right there and you could of just threw it my way, shucks!:devil-smiley-033:

[ABD]

I couldn't find the whole pic...But i found the top to go with the other bottom above,hehe....Gonna have to piece em together..But it's all there anyway.

[XZOTIC INK]

i didnt really see the picture as clear as i do now, after you have broken it down for me, this is more than i imagined, my brain already hurts. When i get a clear photo of her again, i will double check your wording on the steps i should look at. I dont know what a skelton drawing is,? is it when you lightly shape out the human form that im drawing, but in a bubble form, not really skelton bones, right? ok laugh now or forever hold your laugh. I never had drawing classes,except basic high school art many years ago, just read alot of books on it and watched plenty of videos by pros, so i get a little lost in the terminology used. :angry-smiley-030:

[XZOTIC INK]

ill piece it together beautifully. thats PERFECT.....:love: ok now i can see it clearly, wow im so off!

[ABD]

Well i knew who it was without you saying so..So ya can't be to far off.

Here's the link where i got the pic...Good for anyone looking for high rez pics of famous Ladys.........It's like semi nude type stuff, site kinda looks cheesy pornish. Sometimes there's some personal ads thrown in the mix. But i've never seen any raunchy stuff, I just ignore it all and look for the Ladys:clapping2:
http://www.skins.be/page/

[Stephen Casey]

Thanks ABD. That is a good source for the famous gals.

Here is a link to Domai. These are nudes but very friendly, real, and lovely. The newsletter is free and includes high resolution images. Some how I dropped this newsletter so I might as well re-register now.
http://www.domai.com/

Best of luck with your realism.

[zackarybancroft]

Hot damn Stephen! :boobies:

[Stephen Casey]

Your welcome Zackary. I like to make myself useful.

[Stephen Casey]

Oh, Natalie I forgot to mention yesterday; its just Stephen, if someone called Mr. Casey around dinner time my belly would sing quite a tune before I would have enough sense to sit down and eat.

One note on the Domai site. I had an associate with a full membership and their coffee table book. I must admit I learned a great deal about the female form from that site. The ladies while occasionally provocative are most often simply just upbeat and ALWAYS photographed with excellent clarity. The one most important thing I learned from these images is the true hip differences between men and women. That is the relative dimension between the hips and shoulder widths; in comparison to men. It is often very difficult to get past our own preconceptions of what a nose looks like or breast or an elbow. With a preponderances of source imagery to flick through rapidly we can with a little effort stop focusing on the emotions of the subject and see the forms as they really are.

Sorry I didn't mean to go on and on. I hope you enjoy working with your better source image.

[sdriscoll]

That shirt f@&%ing offends me godda@#it! I can't FU$#ING believe someone would fu#&ing put something so fu*^ing obscene on here. FU&$!




p.s. nice work.

[XZOTIC INK]

you just totally bugged me out with that comment, i shrunk in my chair behind the computer, i thought you were serious, man, dont do that..:devil-smiley-033:

[XZOTIC INK]

im starting it on illustration board, im gonna focus better on the form than the design..ill keep ya posted

[Stephen Casey]

Ya, do that Natalie. PM with a link to where I can see it when you want some feed back.

[blinddog 99]

ROFLMAO, ol' Steve's got a head o steam goin'!........

[sharonsstudio]

Natalie look good.. Now a trick after hearing all the comments go back and do it again and see howmuch different it looks...
you'll be amazed...

[XZOTIC INK]

i saved it and im going to compare them , most definitely!

[sdriscoll]

Nat,I hope you know I was TOTALY kidding with my comment. I was just trying to see if I could spell fu#@ing and swear without getting in trouble. It worked.