received my striper

[Don D.AZ]

Well I just received one of my beugler stripers today... Now I heed to get some cheep practice paint to work with...

[JimmyG]

best wishes with figuring out the consistency of the paint to pour in the little bottle of the beugler stripper and make it work properly....
whilst you are doing such, think about how much easier it would be to try a real striping hairy brush instead....

been there, done that with the beugler tool about 25 years ago....I still have one in my art tool morgue...
cleaning the thing is a messy bitch and if ya don't, it won't work correctly next time use....
cleaning a hairy brush instead is 2 minutes of hair fondling and knowing the love of a real brush....

:-)~

[Don D.AZ]

best wishes with figuring out the consistency of the paint to pour in the little bottle of the beugler stripper and make it work properly....
whilst you are doing such, think about how much easier it would be to try a real striping hairy brush instead....

been there, done that with the beugler tool about 25 years ago....I still have one in my art tool morgue...
cleaning the thing is a messy bitch and if ya don't, it won't work correctly next time use....
cleaning a hairy brush instead is 2 minutes of hair fondling and knowing the love of a real brush....

Then you should remember that you had to start someplace also. As I can see by your pic. It has been a long time.
You make it sound like a bad thing to start with a beugler.
I am trying to get my foot in the doors doing the striping. And this is what the others have done also. I then can pratice more with a brush and learn more as I go...

As I see things is "Everyone is born stupid, We all learn as we go" We all learn what we need to know just to get by. others will learn more to be in front of the others...
I like being in front. In my real work (windshield repair), I am the best in my field. I will aim to try the same here also as time goes on.

[JimmyG]

actually I did start with a real brush...back then I thought maybe the buegler striper would to be a cool tool to make things easier and faster....I never said "bad thing to start with" at all....

learning to handle and manuever a real brush did take me much further into the realms of brush painterly art....
I still say real brushes are easier to clean, plus I never could make sharp points using the beugler tool without changing the wheels which actually took longer as I recall....

http://www.beugler.com/map.html

....

[bigwater]

Don't be offended Don. Sometimes Jimmy's "gnomieisms" come off the wrong way, but he really does have a big heart and nothing but the best intentions...

I think the point is that most people who get into striping start with a brush, and a few will take shortcuts using the beugler after they already understand the principles of striping. If you start out with a beugler, you'll never be a proficient striper, because you'll never bother to learn the brush and therefore will be drastically limited in what you can do.

Do a search on the user Purplemyth here on this site. Take a look at some of her striping work. Then try to imagine doing that with a beugler. It simply isn't possible. If you ask her, my guess is she'd say she has never even laid eyes on a beugler, much less used one. I've been watching her progress since the first day she picked up a striping brush a couple of years ago, and her progression has been phenomenal.

Don't handicap yourself by learning on inferior tools that are only designed for a proficient artist to be able take shortcuts on clumsy jobs. Learn it the right way at first, pay your dues so to speak, and then when it comes time to take shortcuts you've got the equipment to do it.

Edit: Sorry for jumping in here Jimmy, we were typing at the same time.

[JimmyG]

Edit: Sorry for jumping in here Jimmy, we were typing at the same time.
no problem at all....you added some important aspects and considerations which is all good...

I did use the beugler tool for striping frames on new utility trailer frames and stuff like that with good success...

Don is most correct in that "We all learn as we go" by trying and doing things....

:-)~

[purplemyth]

If you plan to do nothing more than long straight lines on new /used cars, semis and trailers, then go with the beugler , but practice practice practice and clean it very well. No I've never used one. I would suggest, go with 1shot or the paint you are planning to stripe with. Your basic on the shelf cheap store enamel won't compare and will only hamper the learning process.

I'll add though that when you get bored with long lines and want to get more intricate, get a brush, whether a sword or a scroller, cuz that metal roller won't cut it after awhile. I watched Wizard on his dvd, stop and turn it around and go, after getting to know a scroller, I don't stop at all now, just keep right on going around that curve.
Not mine, but I've heard Zeke Lemanski does all brush work, but for those long lines I suppose you could cut time with a roller instead~ just something to think about.
http://www.pinheadlounge.com/photos/0/644/48012/lg_DSC06865.JPG

As for my pics, most everything from oct09 back are lost on here due to the server change at pinhead lounge, but the link in my sig is active and 95% of all my stuff is there. Plus 1000's of other stripers, young and old, newbies and veterans, references unlimited. The pages of pics is endless.

Pinstriping is an endless art, just trying to say don't be limited to a beugler.

keep it wet~
:wavey:

[Don D.AZ]

Thanks for the input all. I am not offended at all by JimmyG.
Purplemyth got the point that I "at this time" will be doing straight lines on new cars just to get my foot in the front door and will be learning free hand work in my spare time just to put my own touch on things. It is like you all have your own trade mark with your work.

I am absorbing everything I am reading for m you all. I will buy some brushes and try some art work also... My dad did leather work sense he was young and tooled all the patterns by hand not with a die like they do now days and painted everything he worked in. I just hope I have his hand for this. He has passed away 3 years ago, so this is something I would like to give a good run on...

I am blown away on the work I see you all do. I will say I will never be a threat to you all...

Read ya all later.
Don D.

[Don D.AZ]

With us out here in AZ, We have a lot of AZTEC type of striping on cars.

One of the freehand stripers that use to come out here would put a Cactus and Adobe Home in with the striping and we all called it the Santa Fe style stripe.
That was his trademark on the cars.

[purplemyth]

hmm, Az huh? Kafka, Hernandez, And many others I have seen in pinhead come from there. Should find some nice works rolling around in Phoenix.

My dad passed away 3yrs before I started too,(been going now almost 3yrs) even though he never had this type of art run thru his shop, I got the eye for detail from him. I'm sure both Dads are watching what we do though.

I'll throw a word of caution in here,,,,,,,,, the zen of striping will get to you sooner or later :D

So get that paint, grab a panel and show some long fine lines ~
:)

[sharonsstudio]

:signyeahthat:

the wheel is great for long straight lines. but like purp and the others said damn hard to add a curve with the striping wheel..
good luck and post pictures of your progress love to see how everyone becomes better as they practice.

[Don D.AZ]

I think I will be buying 1 shot for my paint and for the basic starting up should I start with the 5 color or would I need to have more colors?

Also who has the better prices on paint? I will also buy some striping brushes. What are the good starters brand and style?

You all got me thinking deeper, Now I will need to find more free time to pratice.
Thanks alot..:cheers:
Don D.

[purplemyth]

You all got me thinking deeper
GREAT!!!!

As for colors, if you come across a supplier that offers a basic small kit, get it. I can't recall what the best basics are, have to bug a mentor of mine for that. Cuz not all reds or yellows are equal in 1shot.
But best guess I would say, bright red, reflex blue, black and white, and then maybe prime rose yellow. With that you can mix dozens of colors. Eventually as you get into it, you can collect all the colors and really go wild! But metallics are tricky, I gotta find the tips by a veteran about those too, need a dab of a neutral mixed in to bring them up.

Get some 1shot reducer, lets see, in Az, you can get the reg and the high temp. Doubt it gets cold enough there for cold stuff. Get some mineral spirits too, UNLESS the buegler says not to use that. For starting out though in brushes, you'lll go thru alot of ms, and it's local and cheaper. Once you get designing down, move into the reg 1shot reducers, it'll make your paint last according to their directions, ms makes reds fade badly after awhile plus reds and some other dry flat. DON"T need that on a new car.
Now for brushes, I'd start with a classic Mack sword. it's just, classic. Green 0's are the old timer's brush, I even started with one and got the lines pretty thin. My thinking was 1, it's local I can get more, 2, if they could and still use it, so can I!
Once you get the basics fine tuned on a mack, then want to get fancy, like the truck I posted, get a scroller, whether a kafka, a vortex, a typhoon, jenson ,,, tough choice, I've only tried a bobbo and a kafka. Each brush has it's own style.
But the thing is to get 1, learn it well, THEN move to something new.

You'll also need some mixing cups, paper towels and something to practice on, a buegler I'd suggest scrap automotive parts, hoods, fenders, whatever. I don't think the wheel on it will grab on a piece of glass or anything unpainted, it's gonna need a tooth. But never having used one, I might be wrong.

There's a bunch of tips in the threads here, and a few other stripers other than me that lurk here, ask anything, someone will answer :wavey:

[bigwater]

Listen to Carlene... she know's what she's talking about. She sent me one of her panels for a wedding present, and I can tell you her work is AWESOME. Pictures don't do it justice. The paint literally floats over the substrate, and the dimensional effects just boggle the mind. It's one of my favorite pieces of artwork I've ever aquired.

Thanks again Carlene!

[Don D.AZ]

I been looking at this site and found the 1 shot sold as a 5 can and a 2 can with brushes and video... Now sure if these are good prices. Just thought I would run that past you all.

http://search.eastwood.com/search?asug=1+shot&w=1+shot+paint&x=12&y=12&p=Q&ts=custom

http://www.eastwood.com/pinstriping.html

[JimmyG]

check out QHF online (Quill, Hair & Ferrule) in Columbia, SC.....
http://store.qhfonline.com/onlinestore/results.cfm?Category=FA&subcat=ALL

they have the 1-Shot and all the brushes, and good prices to boot!

:-)~

[Don D.AZ]

Well I loaded the Beugler with a little paint and played with it for a short time but I was messing around on scrap piece of plate glass. I realized it does not work on glass. It needs something to bit into with the knurled wheel.

I will try again on plexiglass as it is softer material instead of just giving up at one try.
I had a little free time so I thought I would play with the new toys / tools.

As jimmy was stating it took more time to clean that is was worth.


I tried the #0 Dagger that I bought (I have 00 - 4) on the same piece of glass and I see the dagger does not turn as clean as a sword. I will have to buy one or two of them.

??? What is the real use of a dagger? It says many uses.

??? What is a good working material to work on? Plexi or sign panels? I have plexi in the work shop.

I do know the plexi will need to be de-staticized (new word) so it does not draw the paint off the brush. I saw that on the Wizard video.

I will have to find a time just to play with the brushes.

[purplemyth]

I can only add, If you have plexi around to use, use it, you can wipe it off with mineral spirits right after you get a pic , but after awhile it will just get really scratched up. Glass is good, it gets you used to super slick surfaces, but not recommended for starting out.
I used, painted poster board, kyrlon, flat or gloss on the shiny side only cuz I wanted to keep all my stuff.

Yes to remove static, I wipe it down with window cleaner, works better than water, and put a wet paper towel or rag behind it to keep it away while painting too.

Don't rush off to quick to get a sword cuz your dagger won't turn, it's gonna take alot of practice, but I think it should do work. It's just a matter of standing it up more.
But this is why I went with a small scroller after a year, turning is hard for me. I wound up taking a green0 and cutting 1/2 the belly hair off, it worked, but long borders became the problem, so I used an uncut and the cut one.

Yeah, you need to just dedicate a couple hour stretch to it, whether daily or on weekends, if you want to do it, gotta put in the seriuos time~

get some pics up when ya can :wavey:

[air_fx]

Having takin the time to mess with a Beugler several years back I agree with the others that its not really the tool to learn pinstriping with. If all I was doing was striping wagon wheels or long lines down semi's thats the tool to use for sure, but for real world pinstriping and scroll work you'll want to learn to use the hairy brush. I started out with a OO Mack and a couple of cans of OneShot....I found that practicing on aluminum panels worked the best for me, but remember if your going to stripe down the sides of vehicles then you'll need to practice that....So I would tape my panel to the wall and then practice on it.....suddenly its a whole different ballgame when you turn the brush on its side and try to pull a straight line down the side of a vehicle, when all your previous practice has been on a table top with your brush standing vertically....its alot harder then it appears....lol....at least it was for me. But if you'll keep practicing you'll eventually get the brush and paint to do what you want.

If you have access to someone who pinstripes regularly, its very helpful to have them show you stuff.....Something about that person to person teaching that is better then watchin a video. I was fortunate enough to attend a couple of "panel jams" and got to spend the weekend watching and learning from several pro pinstripers, and I learned more doing that then all the books i'd read upto that point......My most memorable experience was getting a weekends worth of instruction from the late great "Bobbo Dunn".....Bobbo taught me more about striping that weekend then I ever expected....I walked away from that event a 1000 times better striper then when I arrived.....So if you get the opportunity to get around other stripers do it!....You won't regret it.

[ScorpionAir66]

Forgive me for eavesdropping :)

Purp - I'm listening and learning...if only we had "jams" in sydney, australia

.....(i'm waiting on my striper & paint)

Don - Good Luck! hope to see some work of yours soon :)

[purplemyth]

hey Scorpion, was wonderin bout you!

Sometimes ya learn good things by eavesdropping ;)

I'll have something to show in a few days :)
So where's some pics Don? :D

[Don D.AZ]

I just received my last two videos (Wizards Dagger and Scrollbrush P/S) I have been watching the Dagger last night. Verry nice video.
I picked up a Mach 00 Sword also just so I can feel the difference with the two style of brushes when I do work with them.
I bought and just received two magnetic strips for the beugler and may just run a line down my truck as my geinny pig run.
I have have not had time to work the brushes with everything else I am dabbling in.

I had some horseshoe coat hangers to finish up making for a friend. (I also hobby weld)

I feel I have to many irons in the coals. It just keeps the mind working in overtime. Better than a sleeping mind.

[purplemyth]

I KNOW the feeling!
I do so much other stuff, sometimes hard to break from one to do another. Airbrushing ,Gardening, then wood working (scrolling) then back to airbrushing, now 3 yrs of striping. Now I'm making dash panels for a car, it's gonna get a custom camo job , so here comes the airbrush again, striping inside~ but hey, it's better than sitting around doing nothing!

Look forward to seeing what you do :wavey:

[purplemyth]

ok, let me know what ya learn on this rolling tube~
I bought one today, 3 heads, 2 are dbl liners, the mag tape and all the papers still in the case, a few years old, for $45 from a fellow vwer, says he's also adding other lil trinkets in the box, (he's alwayus good to me, sent me several old ab action mags and a glass jar cutter and misc scifi designed trading cards) So I'm gonna be practing right along with ya now. Couple of truck stops here since I'm on an interstate, so it's another piece to my arsenal :wavey:

[Don D.AZ]

You have the double head? Sweet deal there. I have the red and blue box (deluxe and pro). I just received my Magnetic Guide Strips.
I was thinking about buying a double head for stripper but was sure which one would like better. But at this time I will just change heads and re adjust the guide or for another color just change out units.

I was going to run a couple blue stripes on my white Chev.PU and maybe a Yellow stripe on my Green Chev. PU, then what ever my wife wants on her White Pathfinder.

Don D.

[purplemyth]

This is what I got~ I had to look close, only 1 dbl liner, but thats cool, I have a couple of light colored bugs and a fresh pint of black to play with. 30910
I got some same reactions from a couple friends ' cheaters tool' well I said to them, for a long ass semi? yeah! down the sides of a car, maybe, long lines past 2 ft are a weakness for me, unless on a panel,
I'm justa waitin now~

[Don D.AZ]

Even for what you received, the mag strip will come in handy as a guide for brush striping those long lines you are having troubles with.

I did not see the guide rods. Did you pull them out, or not get them?

[purplemyth]

he says it's complete, they may be under it, idk~ are they removable?
or it being an older set, maybe it's different style?
I'll post pics when it gets here, I'm anxiuos to see what other 'helpful' goodies he's sent too :)

[Don D.AZ]

Got to this web link on the buegler and count down to the 11th item you will see the 3 guides.
They should have came with it.
http://www.beugler.com/parts.html
I did not get a DVD and I called Buegler and they sent me one for free instead of charging me 5 or 10 dollars.
Not bad to look at.
Have fun.
Don D.

[purplemyth]

:banana: got my box a few minutes ago!
4 heads, not 3! and unless they don't update their parts list and prices, this set is alot older than a few years~
30915

30916

All the other goodies are for binks and devilbiss guns, which I have 2 binks #7's from my dads shop, VERY OLD! and 2 small wrens? they'll probably go in a display or something, but I still think I got some cool stuff~ I love old tools!

sorry to hijack your thread Don, but I figured it fit instead of startin a new one !
I'm like a kid now, but, I have to wait, I have a project that MUST get done first before I can play! :smiley_bliss:

[Don D.AZ]

You hit a gold mine. You can hijack my threads anytime you want. When it comes to tools I am the same way. A kid in a candy store. I just call them new toys, Not tools.

It is always nice to get things that helps remind you of your dad or the tools he used as you were growing up.

I see the striper came with the guides. Let me know how you like the double head and what number that one is. I may be looking for a double and they sure have a lot of them.

don D.