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ABD

03-22-2008, 07:48 AM

Just tryin' to get moticed!
Keep on Sprayin'

Sooooo, I'm the king of slacking when it comes to getting noticed....have no clue what's going on and what I'm supposed to be doing, biz wise....But seems to me, Putting yerself out there in all these Art places...Posting work in all sorts of forums and places like the Art tour...Who are you getting noticed by??....Other Artists right...I dunno, I just don't see other Artists doing much to make my biz any better...Unless they hire me for work, (fat chance) I don't much care to be "noticed" by other painters.

Now set up some sites where customers browse and hire Artists...Then I would chase people around and post whore all over..LOL

Just generally speaking here...No one person is in mind.....Peeps do it all the time...Show there work all over internet land, to other artists...haha!...Great if yer looking for input and learning, most are just showing "look what I can do"....Guess I just don't get it....Other than having yer name next to possible killer artists..Or getting a comment from some "big name" in one of the 6 forums ya posted in.. Shy of a lil ego stroke, I don't see how it'd help at all.....I'm an odd Camper though......Just pondering here, any methods to the madness you guys care to share???....Curious is all:D

mob33

03-24-2008, 09:53 AM

I guess thats one way to look at it Dell. But then again, you are self professed "Lazy" so it makes sense. I certainly don't care if ALL fellow artists see my stuff, and I only post in 2 forums, and about 80% more in this one, as it is the BEST FORUM EVER!! But maybe you're referring to some other artist who posts in 6 other forums??
Anyway, Like I was saying..I DO care to be noticed by some of the guys and girls out there though...I am trying to be a professional AB artist, and am trying to make a name for myself. I can't achieve my painting goals by sittin' on my ass and hoping that someone comes my way..I decided if I want to be "known" I need to make myself known.
And so far so good..have had a lot of responses and have had a great start to a pretty good networking system.
I figure if I want to be more than just another AB'er out there, I better seperate myself from the pack of local guys out here in my area that just 'dabble' in it...I want to be more than that.
And you know what Dell? Everyone of us AB'ers, yourself included, likes to be patted on the back after a job well done..if you say otherwise, youre a liar....
so even if someone did want to just "show off"...so what? We all like lookin at it right? Why else would there be galleries, and car shows, or bike shows?
'Cause we all like to show off a bit, and thanks to all of you that do, because I personally spend hours surfin the net looking for cool paint jobs, and thankfully, I find more and more wicked AB jobs being done all over the place, and I friggin' LOVE it!!
Keep on Sprayin' everyone! And keep on showin' off your skill, because for every guy who prefers to stay in the weeds and hide...there are a hundred of us who want to share our stuff with anyone who wants to be inspired by it!
Now go paint something would ya?

ABD

03-24-2008, 03:29 PM

Good perspective Mob and thanks for sharing.....Nope I wasn't referring to you or anyone else in particular..Twas all general for the sake of discussion and my curiosity:D

I wouldn't think being "lazy" has much to do with getting noticed by other Artists...To be clear I stated "I slack on getting noticed"...I'm no biz guru, but I don't consider that lazy..I learn everyday as most anyone with the interest does...Not marketing yourself to potential customers is "sitting on yer ass"..IMO....You could show off to other Artists all day and still never pay the bills....That's why it's of little interest to me to do such.

Yup we all like to be noted for our efforts...Comments are great from my friends....Oooh and awws from random screen names, not so much...That's why I like to get to know people here. Conversations have more meaning than fluff. ..I'm sure I'm in the minority...The ole "different stroke for different folks" comes into play I guess.

Hope you or anyone else isn't thinking I'm passing judgment on yer ways..Not my right or interest to...Just something I've always been curious about since crawling in da interweb...Any and all perspectives interest me:D

EDIT:....I forgot to mention...I dunno if that last inspirational part about "for every one guy in da weeds" was pertaining to me?....LOL...But I can assure you, plenty of successful painters have lived long and happy lives without the need of pats on the back from internet land:D....Again, I'm not talking about you looking for "pats", I don't think you are, just general.:)

Cowboy

03-24-2008, 04:56 PM

Hey !!!!! I Live in Da Weeds . Carefull Yer gonna hurt my Feelins. On a Serious Note, Most Want to Be noticed & Famous . Me I Dont give a Damn . I,m Retired & Have Been Very Sucessfull in The Kustom Biz , & Have seen Lots Come & More Go, But all have helped the Biz Grow, & some Benefit from it & Theyr,e Heads swell up. But Even So. Lots of Them Kept it alive . So Kudo,s To ALL Of Them Or Whoever for that .

Just seems to be important to be Famous & Bitch about How Bein Famous Takes up Yer Whole life , & Seein Yer names in Lights , Then What its all really about. This is Just My Opinion . & Not meant To be aimed at anyone. So Ya,ll Have a Great Day & Thanks To Everyone for sharing & Keeping the tradition alive .

ABD

03-24-2008, 04:58 PM

Well said CB!...We are all just squirrels trying to keep our nuts after all...LOL

mob33

03-24-2008, 06:43 PM

I don't disagree boys...well put CB. I have seen it as well. A guy wishes to be famous and 'poof' he turns into a 'super star' and forgets where he started. I hate guys like this..and I could name a few I know...but won't of course!
As far as "livin in the weeds..." I meant that in the figurative sense, so I hope all you guys livin in grass huts don't come down on me too hard!
Anyway, my point was that personally, I want to be known in this biz. The same way I know of Craig Fraser, Mike Lavalee, VanDemon, Goodeve, Guyton, Cook,etc, etc...the list goes on. How do we know these names? Because they marketed themselves, got their work seen on projects that got noticed..got PUBLISHED..very important step there, and then started to get recognition in the paint community. But it had to start by being noticed by those people who saw talent and promoted it. My 'theory' behind getting on board with the Airbrush Tour, is for this reason...to get noticed by the right people...because around here where I live, customers are still only truly interested in my work and promoting it, if the price is right..and you ALL know what I mean! Youv'e heard it a million times, "hey man, if you give me smokin' deal on paintin' my tins, I will tell everyone about you, hand out cards, bring you $1000's more in work...blah, blah, blah"
Well, Ive been there, and AM doing that, and I want it to change.
Mike Lavalee does not have to endure this any more, nor do any of the above mentiioned artists in this biz, and my goal is to someday reach that same level of demand in my work, and to do that, I believe in my diluted brain anyway, that I need to find out how they did from them personally, mimic their business practices, attend their shows and seminars and workshops, and network with them personally.
A.D. Cooks site is the perfect tool and a helluva site to boot, so I see this as a step in the right direction. Because I do want to get noticed.
I love this site, for the record, and the people who make it so great. I will always be a part of it and do what I can to make it grow and become even better (if thats even possible)
And hopefully along the way, I will achieve what I want to achieve in this industry, and make a million friends while I'm at it!
(Friends, not dollars...I am a realist at heart!)
So keep on Sprayin' and if you want it bad enough, whatever "IT" is for you, will happen.

ABD

03-24-2008, 07:25 PM

Well put Mob, you made me understand where you're coming from..While most of what I was getting at really wasn't about you and the Abtour...I knew you could (and would) give some insight into the dilly...Which kinda goes in hand with my difference of opinion on the other stuff....I didn't want to jack yer thread, just some discussion on things I wondered. So thanks for playin!!

I guess that's where I take a different path...When you say you want to be known like the "lavalle's" and other such names...Great goal indeed and I wish anyone with such dreams all the luck...You're also right on how they work..The masses need to see your work if you're ever to be recognized at that level..It keeps Art in peoples face and gives future peeps something to admire and maybe strive for.

I never wanted to be that way. Just be my own boss and pay the bills doing what I like....So many people bust their ass day by day for a check..I've done it, but was fortunate to have something else to try....I consider myself damn lucky to even be mediocre in the paint game...If I can make a go of it, that's all that matters:D...I don't mind if only a handful of peeps know I lived my time on this rock...I'll bow out gracefully when the time comes, hoping it was a smooth and happy ordeal that I enjoyed:)...Same as anyone really, I just like it real simple....Probably where I fail at biz...I'm more about individuals and less about the masses.....The masses are where the $$ and recognition is.

I get yelled at constantly.."move to the city, make real money!!". I hate that!...I just wanna pay the damn light bill and be left alone..hahaha!...I love da boonies:D I'm stupid/stubborn enough to die trying, making a go of it here....Same with the Net I guess..Not a fan of branching out much...More interested in making real pals..Any status or recognition ensues, that's just a bonus:D

Again thanks for helping me get your (and possibly others) vibe...And putting up with my lame perspectives..all in good fun!!.:banana:

JimmyG

03-24-2008, 11:14 PM

Well.....I certainly enjoy how this "Not Exactly 'my site' but...." thread eventually evolved into some pertinent further discussion....hahahaa, 'tis way full with quirks....

Ya....quite interesting that egocentric marketing is apparently the "way ta go" so that Fame Recogniton in our new world of internet technology equals Success with homefront economics.....

To put it simple, does it really translate to monies in the pocket on the homefront...?
I don't think so, as you guys are not seeing or discussing a few "other" variables.....

For example, it is some kinda fine to be recognized as fabulous artists among peers but it is all still a "show" egocentric wise.....Ya get your "pats on the back" and Kudos and no money in your pocketbook from it....Perhaps on down the life line you will.....

I think you showy artists neglect to expound upon a few factors related to bringing the money to the home shop front.....
Adding "content" here on those factors would way more help others to get into the game, instead of just showing your fancy stuff.....

I understand it's about marketing yourself, someone "out there" in internet land sees your fabulous work and wants to hire you....
Are you mentioning here how much time you will spend getting that customer to come to you with their machine to be airbrushed with fantastic graphics...? nope.....
Are you mentioning the other business aspects of being paid for art contracts and exchanging designs as part of the process...?....nope....
What about all the time spent talking or emailing a new customer from faraway internet land just to convince him or her that YOU are the best one to do his new job concept....?

I just mention a few aspects here, because it is all well and good to be an egocentric internet acclaimed airbrush artist, but there is much more REALITY involved to make it all happen....
There is the "radius" of production reality that you can accomplish from your shop facilities.....There is logistics of business cash flow......There is the utter cost of supplies and doing business period....
There is so much more than just the cool feeling that you are "recognized" by your peers in internet land.....

Therefore, In my humble opinion, I can only see the egocentric marketing of one's self internet wise as buncha bruhaha and not much more....

If one looks back in history at all the fabulous artists "out there", one might see that there is one factor that sets the really successful artists apart from the rest.....

That factor will be that the artists gave up "egocentrics" and began to teach others how to do things in the art arena....Ya know to further the art form.....Such is real progress and will way surpass being recognized by peers for just showing fancy artworks......

Being known as an expert "teacher" will get ya way more high paying jobs than being just an internet "star" artist ......

mob33

03-25-2008, 01:22 AM

Well guys, I really don't know what the hell to think here.
First Dell jumps on board with some comments, ok, opinions...no problem. Enter Cowboy...no problem. A little playful banter between Dell and myself..'tis all good....But Jimmy, too much wind pal...I gotta say.
Thanks for the 'advice' I will call it, but seriously, you talk about egocentrics, but isn't that really what all the big words and lofty talk really translates into?
C'mon now, let's not kid ourselves here.
For the record, I couldn't give a rats ass if ANYONE in 'internet land' thinks I'm any good or not, but internet land consists of real people, punching away at their keyboards, as I am right now, and you will be soon, that want paint work done.
This is not merely my medium to show off and pump up my own ego, as you are eluding to, but it is, hands down, one of the BEST ways to advertise and network with others who want to see and possibly contract out my ( and any other artists) work for themselves.
Being seen and getting noticed is not to be an 'internet star', but I'll tell you all something right now...If by some stroke of luck, I become an 'internet star' by being aggresive in using the internet to get my stuff out there, then I will welcome the universe my friends! Because, I have decided that for me...FOR ME, obviously not YOU, taking my AB career farther than just my local trade fair is on the top of my to do list.
Power to ya if you are happy where you are. Because that is important. And as much as I am a lucky SOB for having my kids in my life, a pretty good job and a nice place to live...my AB career was stale up to a year ago..but no more.
I have changed that. More importantly, this 'internet land' has helped change that...and with the e-commerce trends on the rise, this little thing called the internet is a great and powerful tool that I think more of us like minded artists should utililze to further advance ourselves and our trade.
Long live the Airbrush, long live the people who show us the way and teach us how to work the friggin' thing and long live those who can be open minded about where this industry is headed...'cause it is a bright future, and some of you are blocking my light! (LOL)
Keep on Sprayin' and can't wait to reply tomorrow! Come what may!

JimmyG

03-25-2008, 03:03 AM

Well guys, I really don't know what the hell to think here......{snip}.....
...But Jimmy, too much wind pal...I gotta say.
Thanks for the 'advice' I will call it, but seriously, you talk about egocentrics, but isn't that really what all the big words and lofty talk really translates into?
C'mon now, let's not kid ourselves here.......
Nope Mike.....Please give due pardon with my 'snip out' of your last post so that I may elaborate...

My "big words" and your apparent perception that I do "lofty talk" comes from my university education and a buncha monies spent on that in my past.....
It has nothing to do with egocentrics or the concepts thereof, or "too much wind"....Hahahahaaa...

May I make some correlations here...4 to 6 years of general university education and studies in Fine Art and Design Technologies did not make an artist of me.....It did give me some knowlege of words and meanings thereof, and some understanding of intellectual concepts however "lofty" or elegated, sublime, or arrogant as it may seem to be....

Application of what I learned there started my quest to become an educated artist in the mental sense, application of creating Art and be paid for it is actually what "made" me an artist over time on a commercial, economic level.....

What is your objective Mike? To be known all over (the internet world) as a way cool airbrush artist or "an expert"....? Ya, the both is the dream and the end goal for some of us......
The "experts", as part of the process, give up egocentrics and move toward teaching others how to be artists....That was my point that I think you overlooked, such is a historically proven concept....

Back to another part to the correlation.....
There are many, many true artists out there in this world doing fantastic art that never endear to splash themselves all over the internet.....
Those are the true "Fine" artists, and their work does not follow nor compete with the genre of commercial or "fad" arts such as vehicle graphics....
After all Mike, your art genre is vehicle graphics, as mine is advertizing graphics......

Art marketing is another subject, and my suggestion was basically that on this forum there is a difference between helping others with how to do's, and/or just showing off your work......

I would certainly enjoy to see some new "content" topics started to explore marketing oneself via the internet or even marketing oneself by being a member of internet forums....

Yes, many folks enjoy to look at other's work and think they learn, but without "content" included on how it was done, how to replicate, what was the process, and etcetera, it is only pseudo learning....

Heck, I went thru 2 years of art history classes at the university just to look at "concepts" that the old masters used, just to give me some pseudo learning about real art....

Shall I elaborate on those concepts such as color theory, history of paints, history of what what was painted upon, history of painting utensils, and more of such that eventually made us the painter artists that we are today....?
I can go there, and if that makes me "lofty" then sobeit, it has nothing to do with egocentrics....

Just discussing some points here Mike...no knocks on you or any others.....
Keep on spraying MOB, I don't mean to "block your light".....
Just realize that squirtin' paint and internet marketing ain't the only way to artistic fame and fortune.....
A lot of folks just simply enjoy to see how the painting was done and read explainations thereof.....

ABD

03-25-2008, 07:33 AM

..FOR ME, obviously not YOU, taking my AB career farther than just my local trade fair is on the top of my to do list.

I get where yer coming from Mob...But you're still implying that by not plastering yer name all over internet land you'll be nothing but a local yocal..Maybe I'm wrong but I feel that you think yer talking to someone with no goals or scope for the grand scheme of things....Not the case, My goals and plan (in the biz world) just have nothing to do with other Artists. (that's my main point)...Until such Artists want to start passing on customers (fat chance).

Yes the Net is a handy tool to be "noticed", that's a given....But there are plenty of successful painters that will never turn on the internet...You might think someone like me with no interest in having my name sit next to a "big gun" will never sell to anyone but local hillbillies....That's not the case either, My website brings me biz from folks all over random spots in the US......That's how I use the internet to pay da bills....Maybe having my name plastered in every window in the interweb would bring in more biz??....I don't see it happening, but I don't know, never tried....I see Artists in forums, not customers, hence I see no need to promote myself in front of other artists.

Maybe potential customers surf the AB forums, places like the ABtour??...I'm not a customer so how would I know..haha..It was a loong while before I ever found an AB forum..LOL...fact is most people I talk to don't bother with the internet,....I get lots of work from people that have never set eyes on my website....Paint work will speak for itself, reputation can precede you..I've been working on both for a lot of years now..I get jobs from people that know my reputation for good work..Most times I don't have to "sell" myself...Sometimes I do:D....Putting my name in other artists faces will have little effect on my outcome in life/biz, IMO....If it brings you success I applaud the effort...Your work speaks for itself and seeing yer name next to someone "famous" has little to do with that....maybe a customer see's it different, do they see it at all??

Tiz kewl we walk separate roads, They share a lot of similarities but we are striving for different outcomes..My path may never lead to fame and fortune, but that was never an interest of mine to start with.....I may never see SEMA, but that doesn't mean my work is doomed or limited to local fairs either:D

Jimmy I like the notion of an internet marketing discussion thread..All marketing really, from local to the web...It's something I've always been curious about and a yet another skill that an artist needs in the bag O tricks...The best painters out there that can't sell themselves will never make a go of biz...I'm half assed at it, but there's always room for improvement.

Good discussion fellers:thumbsup:

Cowboy

03-25-2008, 08:22 AM

Heya MoB , I Was just talkin about chit in General Bud , Not Tryin ta Block Yer light , & There aint Nothing Wrong with Yer Thinking & Wanting to get noticed , So Kudo,s for that . & Congrats for Going after Yer dream. Thats what its all about .

I Also Commend You, Because not Only Do You post Yer Pertys , You Jump in & share info & a lil Bs , With Us. Which IMO, seperates You from some of the Others . I Just Really suck at Trying to get My point across & Most times I am takin wrong . Hopefully This will clear up what i was tryin to say.

So Alls good from Here , as far as I,m concerned . I was just throwing My 2 bits in about the ole gettin famous Bit. Allways been a sore spot with me. Mostly comes from some of the Nubies saying , Hey I Aint No artist, cant draw a stick figure, & Dont own an airbrush . But I want to get in the Kustom painting biz . How do I go about it ??? . Cuz I Plan on Opening My own shop next Month . So tell Me all Yer Secrets ASAP !!!!!!!!! Been going on as long as I,ve been around. & Even worse since 1998 when I first Got On the internet . Just hits Me wrong .

I Aint Real sure where I,m goin with this , haha . Just Yackin it up a lil. & Probly to much. Best of Luck to Ya Bud .

mob33

03-25-2008, 09:39 AM

Thanks boyz,
I appreciate all the input here, I really do.
Last night, I guess a button was pushed, and I overreacted maybe...a bit!
Dell and CB, no worries guys, all is good here too. I love this banter back and forth, I think it can be constructive to see others varying viewpoints and can draw alot of excellent points from the collective years of experience betwewn all you guys. I think its good.
But Jimmy, my man, I don't know...I guess inorder to maintain a little piece in this thread, it still is my thread isn't it??, I will just thank you for your input and kindly ask that you not give anymore of it in this thread. Thanks Bud!
Let's just say we agree to disagree!(LOL) No hard feelings and let's all go after our dreams (nightmares might be more like it?) and paint up a storm.
Thanks again guys, hope at some point I can be as much help to you as you have been to me!
Keep on Sprayin'

Jeroen - CDM

03-25-2008, 09:45 AM

I hope ya make it BIG time mate!!!

Ok....i'll drink one to that! haha!

mob33

03-25-2008, 10:45 AM

Thanks so much D and CDM! Lets all go crazy together!!

ABD

03-25-2008, 11:05 AM

haha..Yup still yer thread, Hope ya don't think I was trying to gang up on ya..(i've heard that before:blah:)...LOL

I'm glad Jimmy and CB chimed in cuz I was hoping for others to play as well...Instead of you and I tossing peanuts back and forth over the same points..haha!...I like to hear from Jimmy, CB and a handful of other cats that haven't posted here yet...These guys have been there done that and some still doing it...Running or have run a successful biz without ever having their names in Magazines..That's my inspiration!

I see lots of "famous" Cats stroll through the forums, posting their latest projects for all to see..Some will come back and answer questions, most don't bother till it's time to show another project....Yup they are successful and admired by many...Me, I could care less, they don't care to know me, nor I them.........I don't think you'd ever be one of those guys Mike, like I said I was also generalizing...Never meant to push any buttons, if I did I apologize.

Hopefully you reach your goals, and still keep it as real as you are now.....I will do the same..I just look up to different people...A conversation with Jimmy in here would help me more than having my name next to lavalle's..LOL

Dizzy

03-25-2008, 12:46 PM

Hey I Aint No artist, cant draw a stick figure, & Dont own an airbrush . But I want to get in the Kustom painting biz . How do I go about it ??? . Cuz I Plan on Opening My own shop next Month . So tell Me all Yer Secrets ASAP !!!!!!!!! Been going on as long as I,ve been around. & Even worse since 1998 when I first Got On the internet . Just hits Me wrong .

So Cowboy is it better if I say.....

I'm not the best artist...... Stick figures are my specialty...... I own 5 airbrushes & a Sata mini jet....... I would love to establish a name and reputation in the kustom paint biz.......how do I go about it?.......cause I think I will kill my boss within the next 3-5 years if I can't open my own shop...... How can I do it? I have been painting for about 5-6 years but only on metal for the last 2 yrs.

This is not a shot at you Cowboy........it is honestly where I'm at.

SO with all the talent on this board lets turn this great discussion into some really helpful info for all.

MOB I think it is great to be recognized by your fellow artists!!
Personally I don't think anything you do can hurt in your quest to become recognized and respected.......there is no such thing as BAD publicity (ask Britney Spears)

MOB I'm really looking forward to chatting with ya in person at Shane's Brush bash.

Dizzy

Dizzy

03-25-2008, 01:03 PM

I see lots of "famous" Cats stroll through the forums, posting their latest projects for all to see..Some will come back and answer questions, most don't bother till it's time to show another project....

Could it be they are too busy with other jobs? due to the demand and the name they have created for themselves?

I have been in Shane's Shop (Baker Boyz) and personally seen the amount of work he has and how much he is in demand.......I don't know how he even has the time to even turn on a computer......
And he is not recognized like a Lavelle, or other famous artists......he should be but he's not.....not yet anyway.

When you achieve the status of a Cross-eyed, or a Lavelle, or a Mike Learn...... you can pick and choose your jobs and charge accordingly........ People will pay for the prestige of having a flame job done by the famous guy on TV and pay much more than they should.....IMHO.

MOB just ask Blake what he charges for a goalie mask and why.....
He won't look at a goalie mask for under a grand........because he can......NOW

Dizzy

Cowboy

03-25-2008, 01:38 PM

No Worrys Dizzy, I Recon that was a poor Example. But I,m sure if Ya been around the forums very long, Or Even people stoppin by You,ve run into Similar type,s before .

That was My Main point. Join a forum , Make a post, & If Ya dont get a response within 15 minutes, They get all Upset . & Even When They get several Responses That Try,s to answer There Blanket Question, They,ve asked on Multiple forums, They Dont have the time to come back & say Thanks.

Sorry, I,m not very good at Explainin what I mean. & sometimes come off the wrong way, Not My intentions. There aint No stupid Questions & I,ve Allways tried to be as Helpfull as possible.

OH Yea ! Mob, Sorry for Interuptin Yer thread again. If Ya want just Delete all My Posts. Wont bother Me a bit. Oh Yea did I say Congrats , lol

ABD

03-25-2008, 01:40 PM

Could it be they are too busy with other jobs? due to the demand and the name they have created for themselves?
Dizzy

Couldn't tell ya..I know I don't start a pool game I have no intentions or time to finish:D

Many of the names you drop are not the kinda guys that do what I'm talking about anyway....Lavalle, Mike learn, Blake..They don't post pics all over the Net and bail...They frequent a few forums, talk to peeps when they can...I'm talking about the other major % that post the same thing word for word on 6 forums then bail out till next time.....If up and coming guys want to emulate that as a way to become "noticed"..Sounds fine and dandy, not my taste though...But most Pros, don't post whore anyway, like the Cats you mention, they made a name for themselves with exceptional work.

No doubt though ya have to be in the public eye to be seen...Hollywood, models, athletes...Public makes them who they are..I think it's ass backwords anyway, nobody playing a sport should make more than a fireman or doctor...Peeps love tradition and going with the flow, I jumped stream a loong time ago:)

Dizzy

03-25-2008, 01:46 PM

Cowboy.... no need at all to apologize.....this is a great thread and discussion!!
I wasn't trying to take a shot at you or your response, just trying to say we are all at different places in our airbrush careers and trying to achieve different things, in different ways.

So I guess my question is to anyone who has an established shop (not famous)
how did ya do it?, what did you do?, what worked and what didn't? and why?

Dizzy

Dizzy

03-25-2008, 02:02 PM

Hey Dell I guess I have been guilty of that posting on multiple sites as well (not to the same degree as you mention)

But that is so I can get as much feedback on my work and what I need to improve on...... I know when I do some sub par work and get frustrated with only good comments and no constructive criticism .......so if I post on 3 or 4 forums it is not necessarily for a pat on the back from my peers...... I may be looking for something else and it may take 3-4 different sites to get the one person to tell you like it is!!

I can give you an example...... my last post "the rusty wrench"
Great comments made me feel great......only one criticism from Whitt on the lettering standing out...... awesome!! something to work towards!!

But what about the washed out wrenches? the grainy flames, the bad cut job on the lettering, Etc...... I could pick my work apart for days.

the names I used were not for the multiple posting on many sites......but the advantage of being a recognized or famous artist in the industry.........

Mob sorry if we have jacked your thread or changes the discussion....maybe I should start a new thread?

Dizzy

ABD

03-25-2008, 02:22 PM

Thanks for playing Dizzy, exactly what I'd hoped for from my original questions and thoughts.:sport-smiley-004:

You make some great points indeed...It isn't black and white as is true with most things in life...All shades are in there with different intentions..Personally If I see someones work on multiple forums. Then see it again here with word for word copied text...I don't give more than a one liner comment...Even if I had something to add or talk about..I figure peeps don't much care where the comment/crit is coming from, they just want it...I wont give it to em, just stubborn that way.

Problem lyes with the peeps that are really interested like you and the ones that just need a hug...LOL....You don't know who is who if they don't hang out and make friends, chat it up and such....So it's a fault of mine to catagorize everyone in the same group.. Time is a the only way to differentiate the two,,,I just hate to show interest in someone that doesn't give a hoot about any of us, ya know..

Jimmy mentioned above starting such a marketing thread...He can move these out to that if he so chooses..Clean up Mobs thread and carry on the fun:)...Good discussion indeed tho!!!

Dizzy

03-25-2008, 03:10 PM

ABD

03-25-2008, 03:25 PM

Hey man I'm pickin up what your layin down!!

When ever I see the same post on multiple sites I only comment on the site I originally seen it on...simple as that.

And hey I am secure enough in my manhood to accept a cyber hug from ya...LOL
in person we would probably have to stick with a firm hand shake and a few cold ones!!
Dizzy

hahahaa, cold one and a shake sounds good:)...Gotta be careful though, there's a guy around here that'll try and get ya to pull his finger:smashfreakB:

mob33

03-25-2008, 06:46 PM

Hell ya Dizzy!! I can't wait. I'll be the shaved head dude lookin lost!
And thanks for the comments man, I appreciate.
Dell..I will NEVER forget how I made it to the TOP man!! (HA HA HA) Just hope I don't hurt too many necks steppin' on heads to get there!!! (again, HA HA HA)
I will keep it real man, because that's all I know how to do.
but...no offence Jimmy, but I will take Lavalee (Ha Ha)

JimmyG

03-26-2008, 09:39 AM

but...no offence Jimmy, but I will take Lavalee (Ha Ha)
Nary a problem MOB, no offense here, as I do understand why....Lavallee is to be considered expert......

Dizzy

03-26-2008, 01:20 PM

Hell ya Dizzy!! I can't wait. I'll be the shaved head dude lookin lost!

I will be the guy with a canuck hat (dangerous in Edmonton) chuckin pannels across shanes shop when ever I mess up!!

two more sleeps:party-smiley-029::party-smiley-029:

Dizzy

Steelhorse

03-26-2008, 10:01 PM

Mob... I was reading through this thread and hit the links posted at the beginning.

Great stuff Man!!!

I do have a favour to ask!

Could you do some how to's showing "how" you do the vodoo that you do?

Pin's and needles here!

Thanks in advance....I know how to's are very time involved, but, if you have the time it would be greatly appreciated!

Lenny

mob33

03-27-2008, 01:35 AM

Steelhorse

03-27-2008, 05:33 PM

No problem Lenny, i will make a point of doing a few how-tos in the next couple of weeks...schedule makes it tough, but i've been wanting to for a while now..so, ya, they are on there way!
Thanks for the comps, I truly do appreciate it!
And as far as this thread goes...WOW, this is freakin awesome! Talk about a diverse bunch we have here eh guys? this is what it's all about!
Keep on Sprayin' and postin' guys!
(I will have more to add to this thread later....)

I just mentioned it because I have been busy also and went into the the how to section to see what you may have posted there. I didn't see anything:sad-smiley-012: so I thought I would give ya a "Nudge"in that direction:wink2:

Looking forward to seeing what you post up!

Lenny

Steelhorse

03-28-2008, 02:02 PM

I could have sworn I read another post in here... maybe I was imagining things.
You'll find some of Mike's threads where he does WIP photos in the General Custom Painting forum Lenny.
Mike and I have talked at length about doing articles and How To's. Gosh.. look how long it took me to write one.

Thanks D!!! It's hard to keep up with everything and every section. I'll use the search button and take a look see.

Kinda like my opinion's need thread eh? Wasn't a chopper how to, but, the whole concept was there. I didn't make it how to because of the other how to I did. The chopper just followed the previous how to and didn't need to be repeated.

I'll take a look see when I have the time....the Home front is dragging me down right.

Thanks for the directional push D!!!

Lenny

JimmyG

03-29-2008, 11:55 AM

Well....I will certainly consider the WIP challenge.....Most of my work tends to be multi-media artistry, instead of specifically airbrushing....

Signmaking is the artistic avenue that pays the bills, and I suppose so many years of doing that has molded me more toward the graphic arena....I do enjoy to try include airbrushing on jobs when I can.....

Perhaps I should work toward doing some "just airbrushing" to show y'all.....

ABD

03-29-2008, 12:00 PM

Well I for one would like to see any Wip you care to whip up Jimmy:partyalone:...I'm sure it'd be a good'n,.....Much more to Art than just an AB, It's all interesting to see fer me:)

JimmyG

03-29-2008, 01:18 PM

Yes mostly Custom Painting and Airbrush, but the main header on Airbrushtech.net does include Digital Art, Mixed Media (same as Multi-media) and Signmaking....

I think this website certainly excels "above the rest" in offering partication and discussion in those other artistic areas....
This website also certainly excels above the rest with it's organization of all those "artistic area" Topics....

Indeed it gives a fabulous place, or "arena" so to speak, for much contructive diverse learning and discussion....And yes, let's not diminish the opportunity to show off our Art work (whatever it is) to other artists for evaluation....

sharonsstudio

03-29-2008, 07:16 PM

Hey Mob great to see you doing your job..

Steelhorse

03-29-2008, 10:33 PM

I have a wonderful idea! Every time Mike puts up a WIP with pics or a how to on custom painting and airbrushing, Jimmy and Lynne puts up one too! That would be awesome!
Jimmy... I don't think I've seen one photo yet of your airbrushing. Have you posted one anywhere that I missed? I'd love to see some of your non-sign stuff.

D, if you were referring to me "Lenny" when you typed Lynne in the above quote, I have to wonder If we are being challenged.

That was not my intent here at the start of my posting in Mike's thread.

His work is top notch and I would like to see him do some how to's....I was just giving him a nudge.....kinda like "I like your work and would like to see how you do it"

Ya, maybe it might have been taken the wrong way, but as far as a how to challenge....I am not into that.

If you want to see the "opinions need" thread done up in a how to, I'll do it. It will be incomplete though because it was a repeat of the tribal how to practice piece I did and I didn't go into the detailed pic taking that I normally do....30-50 pic's.

I can do a new one on "color sanding" and buffing out scratches when your bike roll's off the lift....A fix it how to, if peeps would be interested, and I can go into the wool pad...yellowpad and the black pad and the various compounds that I'll use to fix it.

Do you think that the members would like to see something as boring as the fix job? It is informative, and I think maybe I can get about 30 pic's + into it.

Let me know if you think it is worth the time of posting it up!

All knowledge is good!

Lenny

JimmyG

03-29-2008, 11:42 PM

Challenge is a multi-faceted interesting concept indeed.....It can be perceived as competition, a demand for proof of worth, or just a simple call to participate further.....

Challenge can evoke fantastic imagination.....The application thereof is likely to be a demanding task that requires special effort and the dedication to achieve quality results, in most instances....

Enter somewhere therein, the need to justify the rhyme and reason of such challenge….

Eventually challenge equals learning and success given effort, devotion and time....Or, one can get frustrated and quit midstream…..

I do believe that Denise was speaking of myself and Lynne Colourshift to show more artworks as moderators here on this fabulous forum….

You guys may see me as quite "wordy".... But Hey, therein lies another sorta challenge for you….

ABD

03-30-2008, 07:32 AM

Here I was worried about jackin Mobs thread with forum hopper talk...hahahahaa!

What the hell I'll play, Give Mob a good ole mess to clean up if he comes back...hahaha!

Lenny, I like that idea...I thought of doing it myself...I think some new cats misperceive the shine that can be gotten...Peeps buy new cars all the time with crap paint work..comes that way from the factory, and they think it's perfect...Usually far from it..Out there washing their ride on a sunny day, drying it with the same Towel they dry off from a shower with...Putting millions of spiderweb scratches in the Clear...hahahaha...Then they wax it..LOL.....

I have no doubt you could walk away after using the wool pad and pass it off as done to untrained peepers....Be cool to show the progressive scratches that the different pads leave....I have a chart somewhere that tells...Like the yellow pad leaves an 8000 grit scratch, Black pad is upwards of 12000...(not sure just a guess)...I'll look that up if ya don't know, might be handy:D

Jimmy I can be rather wordy too..LOL...But I always feel smarter after reading your words....I'm guessing peeps get a different vibe from my ramblings:crazy:...hahaha

ABD

03-30-2008, 08:38 AM

Yeppers I think it would only make it more fabulous.

Mike's thread sure did turn out to be quite different than Lynne's
http://www.airbrushtech.info/AIRBRUSH/forum/showthread.php?t=3241&highlight=airbrush+tour
when she made the tour

and Jason's
http://www.airbrushtech.info/AIRBRUSH/forum/showthread.php?t=1602&highlight=airbrush+tour
when he made it.

Yep sure did..This one lasted more than 4 days worth of new posts...As Jimmy would say, Tiz progression for sure:D

JimmyG

03-30-2008, 04:20 PM

Edit: I just had a weird thought... You do know how to airbrush don't you Jimmy?

Hehehee....Duhhh....What's an airbrush....?

Just kiddin' Denise, yes I do know how to airbrush.....
Although for the monies that I have invested in all my hand lettering brushes, I coulda bought 4 or 5 Infinitys or better to enhance my basic collection.....

Yeppers, Lynne Colorshift does some right FINE airbrushing....I certainly admire how Lynne paints smoke....

Yeppers Lenny, I must agree with Dell also, your doing some How To's on the fine art of hand buffing and polishing to mirror finish would make for some excellent learning....

It's all good progress.....

Steelhorse

03-30-2008, 08:16 PM

Out there washing their ride on a sunny day, drying it with the same Towel they dry off from a shower with...Putting millions of spiderweb scratches in the Clear...hahahaha...Then they wax it..LOL.....

Cotton Towel!!!! :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::crazy:

mob33

03-31-2008, 02:01 AM

Hey everyone...
looks like you have been busy in here!
Just got back from Ron Gibbs and Crosseyed's Brush Bash in Edmonton...What a weekend!
I'll post pics and all the goods in another thread though...
Thanks D for the continued support!
And Lenny, I am putting together a how to on 2 seperate projects as we speak...so keep yer pants on big guy!
Thanks Dell and Jimmy for taking this thread and running with it! (LOL)
I love to see this kind of exchange! And seeing as I'm such a glory whore, I can say that I even started it!!! Get's me mmore attention right guys???
Any how, hope to play again tomorrow!
Gotta go sleep!
For the record though...your all great!

ABD

03-31-2008, 07:59 AM

And seeing as I'm such a glory whore, I can say that I even started it!!! Get's me mmore attention right guys???

Well since ya asked...Naaaa, ya got like 13 posts out of the 60+ in here....We're stealing yer thunder Man. Sorry, no attention for you!!!:nenner:...Hope you can still sleep at night tho??:roll1:

Apparently Jimmy and I are the culprits of this entire thread jack, Tho I started it, (the jack I mean) and others carried on with topic deviations...Thread jacking, continued support?? I dunno??...Guess that depends on who's typing:)

You seem to think this was about me/"us" insulting yer attempts in the spotlight....It never was and I stated so quite a bit back in there..Your situation sparked my interest in other peeps actions that are kinda related..I asked for your vibe cuz I thought you'd play without being offended...Sorry if you took it personal Man...Was never my intention...Yer thread was merely a venue for discussion and I would have started it with anyone I thought was up for it.

But tiz cool to flip it on yourself, if that's what yer cravin...We all like to feel special:D, Even if it is just being a self professed glory whore..LOL....Wonder if a spiffy top hat comes with that title. That sounds nice. hahaaha!

Not being Pricky here, just vibing off the same lovely aroma of sarcasm I inhaled with yer last post..Maybe that was my dog, she did have eggs this morning.....All in good fun, Geese and Gander type stuff

For the record though..Yer pretty great too Mob:D

Dundas West

03-31-2008, 11:27 AM

hey guys i just did my website. did it all my self nothing speacial.

http://dundaswest.webs.com/goaliesticks.htm

mob33

03-31-2008, 09:28 PM

Thanks for the encouraging words Dell, you are a true gentlemen!
Yikes! I don't know what has happened to this thread, but maybe I should just close it?
We might as well as have a discussion about the U.S. Presidential election in here while we're at it eh?

Sarcasm? What Sarcasm? I don't know what your chirpin' about...I'm just enjoying the aftermath of a destroyed thread!
Maybe that smell your smelling Dell is the burnt, crusty, charcoal like aroma of an over done thread...? maybe..
Ha! I know have 14 of 60..Still has my name on the first one though...I'm still winning!
Ha Ha...you guys are too easy...let's see what's next! Til tomorow my friends...

ABD

03-31-2008, 10:14 PM

Hahaa..I guess we're just on opposite sides of "da box"...words and meanings get fuzzy by the time they get all the way across..LOL.

I never saw a destroyed thread..All this talk here, another (very cool) thread stemmed from it..Just good jabbin with pals is all...Sarcasm isn't a bad thing in my book..Stinky or not it adds spice to the mix...Yeah we could say 5 or 6 kudos and let the thread rot..No fun there tho....Like I said I never meant anything personal..If I come off that way twas my bad.. Tiz all good in my book!:partyalone:

mob33

03-31-2008, 10:39 PM

Steelhorse

03-31-2008, 11:27 PM

All good here , and thats is a blanket statement for all you bone heads!!!
( see that's the sarcasm Dell was referring to earlier...)
Seriously though, its AG here too!
Let's have some fun here and make fun of Lenny for a while! LOL

LOL!!! that will be an easy job for the gang to do!!!

Carefull though:partyalone: I might have to have 4 threads at once all replying to different areas at the same time....hehheheee

Sorry for that!

colourshift

04-01-2008, 09:29 AM

"Lynne" won't be posting anything anytime soon. "Lynne" just drove across the freakin country for work, what studio I brought with me is in a box in storage.

mob33

04-02-2008, 02:04 AM

Hey hey guys, don't fight about it...there's plenty of fun makin' to go around...and some for me too while I'm at it!!
But, uh..."Lynne", what the hell does that post have to do with anything here? Just curious, maybe it's in the wrong thread or something?
No worries though..if ya just needed a place to hang, your welcome in this thread, it's nice and warm in here!
Anywho...Let's just all play nice for a while k? That means you too Jimmy!
(I'll let Lenny deal with you later...LOL)

ABD

04-02-2008, 06:58 AM

But, uh..."Lynne", what the hell does that post have to do with anything here? Just curious, maybe it's in the wrong thread or something?
No worries though..if ya just needed a place to hang, your welcome in this thread, it's nice and warm in here!

Look up...Post #48, by Denise...That's what Lynne's reply has to do with:crazy:

Don't tell me you just been skimming all this and then shootin back...hahahahaha!...No wonder ya can't shoot fer shit, don't know where yer aiming.....hahahahaa...Just playing man, bad jokes and all..LOL

mob33

04-03-2008, 08:06 PM

Yo YO guys!!
Hey Dell I looked at post #48 again, but it seemed that Lynnes reply was a bit snarky? Maybe that was just me, I don't know?
Anyway, NO I have NOT just been skimmin' bro...I've read, and very thouroughly I might add, all 3 pages of this thread!! (LOL)
It's a gooder isn't it? I done good right? Made a bit of a stir? Oh well, Its all good..it's been fun in here, and I hope it continues to be that..FUN!
Airbrushing is the best thing artistically to ever happen to me in my pursuit of creativity, so I LOVE this site and the different areas of expertise that are displayed here. I hope we can all make sure that it sticks around for a long long time!
I don't even remember what this thread was about in the first place anymore...wasn't it a ho-to on painting belly buttons?? I don't freakin' know!!

Paint Pimp

04-03-2008, 08:23 PM

Mike,
I've "skimmed" though the posts on here and I have to give you props for actually showing the initiative that most people don't. This is one of the hardest industries to be "well" known in if you don't have a TV show or are back by an industry supplier...... either you are backed by a paint company, or an airbrush manufactuer, or even are good friend with a "well known". AD Cook did not have to post you on his website but he did.... WOW.... not only are you a Canadian but are willing to put your name out there, this will only means one thing.... you have to keep your game on point, because there are many eyes now watching you. SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clapping2::clapping2::clapping2:

Mikey "The Paint Pimp" Wolfe

JimmyG

04-03-2008, 08:30 PM

Hehee...it's a goodun' for sure...I don't remember either Mike...haha
Oh yeah....it used to be about your making airbrush tour....Kuddos to ya on that Mike...I hope you will continue to aspire and prosper in the fabulous airbrushing world...I have learned some things looking at your work.....

On a side note Mike.....I only see 2 pages....
Try go to UserCP....."Edit Options"....scroll down to "Thread Display Options"....scroll down to "Number of Posts to Show per Page".....check the last in the checkbox "Show 40 Posts Per Page"......
Such will make reading all forum stuff much easier.....

mob33

04-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Thanks Mikey! I appreciate the advice man, I mean that. Thank you.
And thank you too Jimmy. I also appreciate your words of encouragement..but as far as learning from someone...It is more us from you with regards to the time you have put in, so kudos to you for stickin out for as long as you have. Lots more to learn to eh?
See, I can play nice, right? I didn't insult anyone even once in this thread!
I knew I could do it..ya bunch of jack Asses!!! Ahhhh nuts! There I go again!
(Kidding of course!)

JimmyG

04-03-2008, 10:17 PM

Hehee....How about "boneheaded jack asses".....hahaha, now THAT would suit and apply to me the babbling gnome....
Stubborn as a mule, opinionated like a steer skull lying in the desert, kick and bite like a jack ass when someone pulls my ear, and secretly magically gnomish in appearance.....hahaha

It's all good Mike.....gnomes like kudos also.....thanks

mob33

04-03-2008, 10:29 PM

No worries Jimmy.
It's all about the art in the end right...and making some cool friends in here...friends being the key word!

JimmyG

04-03-2008, 10:34 PM

Yeppers....no worries here...
I do enjoy to learn something new every single day that my gnomish heart will thump thump onward.....

ABD

04-04-2008, 08:11 AM

but it seemed that Lynnes reply was a bit snarky? Maybe that was just me, I don't know?

Ahhhh tiz an odd thing perception...I saw it as Denise being a bit snarky with the initial comment..hahaha!......Stating a challenge for two peeps that probably have no amount of interest in such things...I doubt Jimmy or lynne care to prove anything to anyone. (just a guess)...I know I woulda said something smart ass if it were my name mentioned..hahahaa... But that's just me:D

Quick Mob..."Heads or tails"....hahahaha!....Maybe one day we'll see something the same..till then, on with the jabs:D

mob33

04-05-2008, 12:11 AM

ABD

04-05-2008, 07:35 AM

Jabs? whatever do you mean?
Ha Ha!
Its all good buddy, I have been learning a lot the past few weeks, and it is to devote the correct amount of energy to the things that deserve that energy...my airbrush progression desrves the energy, and the positive advancement of this forum deserves the energy...fighting with clowns on the internet...not so much!
So I hope I follow my own advice..probably not though! I love fighting!!

Ahhh see there's that Perspective again..Tiz a colorful little kitty...I say "jabs" short for "jabbin"...if ya look at a bunch of my old posts.."I say look forward to jabbin with ya", to newbies....Does that mean I wanna fight?? nope, not even close, just use different words for fun:D...English is boring if ya don't mix it up.

Guess there's no way to come across correct. Was no fight or anything else on my behalf ..Not on my screen anyway.....I'll bow out no worries..Sounds like you wanna take the high road when in reality nobody was going down the low one..LOL.....Peeps see what they want no matter the intention..For the record, I never saw a bad thing about it...I'll take a real talk over the fake fluffy ones anyday...That's all I was trying to do:D