Paasche Talon

[shawnsairbrush]

Im picking up my Talon today. From what I hear there are some new changes on this airbrush that are going to be very good. Ill let you guys know.

[voodoopaint]

I wanna get one but I just spent like $40 or so
on a new needle and nozzle for my hp-cs

so i guess im gonna have to wait ........

but hopefully at least ill get to try yours out next week.... (lol)

if I like it better than my iwata
then ill have to suck it up and get one

I still want a turbo though ---- that gun is pretty cool

[redanner]

I will be waiting to hear of the out come!!! Give yourself time to adjust to its feel and spray! Don't keep us waiting!

[shawnsairbrush]

havent used it yet but i took it apart and there are some good changes that Ive seen.
the trigger is one piece and not two pieces that swivel like the VL. trigger action is smooth. The tip screws in so no wondering if the tip is sitting in there rite. The anodizing looks really cool ! it has an adjustable needle stop on the handle too.
This gun is a big step forward for paasche !! I LIKE IT

[Whit]

Sounds Very Interesting,,, Keep us posted !!!

[shawnsairbrush]

I just used it for about 30 min and didnt want to put it down !!!
this ab ROCKS! The lines that Im laying are very smooth and thin. Its hard to believe you get an ab like this for around 100
The new trigger design make the pull very smooth.

[Bahamut]

I've had one for about a week and a half now. Nice little brush. Screw in tip, teflon packing, smooth ass trigger, good balance, and looks friggin sweet! I'm gettin rid of my HP-C+ for the Talon. Lots cheaper to maintain and just as good. I can get two tips and two neeldes for the Talon as compared to one tip for my Iwata. U do the math.

[sharonsstudio]

HMM I was thinking of the Mojo.. how much is the talon? and is it really much better than the iawata..

[JimmyG]

What's the needle, nozzle, air sizes for the Paasche Talon in "mm's"....?
I have a comparison question.....
How would you rate the Paasche Talon to the Iwata Revolution CR for brushes under $100....both have teflon packing and the RevolutionCR is .5mm needle and tip Only.....?
Seems hard to believe on a difference comparison to the HP-C+......Looks like the cup size is about the same for all 3 compared....?

[anderekel]

HMM I was thinking of the Mojo.. how much is the talon? and is it really much better than the iawata..

I'd say if it's the same, and cheaper, and USA made, it's certainly a better buy. Just my thoughts though, I'm curious to hear more about it as well, though I'm not in the market for a new airbrush.

[JimmyG]

Shawn, I moved your thread from General Airbrushing to this Airbrushes specific forum section so we can further some good info discussion....

And a good thread to input differences and references.....
Here's a start, the Talon is $80basic and $100kit.....Iwata RevolutionCR usually $70basic.....
Iwata HP-C+ $168.....
http://www.coastairbrush.com/products.asp?cat=595

[sharonsstudio]

thanks for the link JimmyG

[JimmyG]

DixieArt includes shipping at $80basic and $100kit..... http://www.dixieart.com/Paasche_Talon_Airbrush.html
.38mm needle and air cap.....cup size .4oz....

I would so enjoy to see comparisons and differences to Iwata....
The Iwata RevolutionCR is .5mm needle and cap, same 1/3 oz. paint cup....Here's a pic.....

[redanner]

There is also the new Badger Renegade Series to consider in this thread http://www.badgerairbrush.com/ running about the same cost also with new trigger design! Actually there is more info from one of our own members Neil
http://www.airbrushtech.info/AIRBRUSH/forum/showthread.php?t=5713&highlight=Badger+Renegade

[JimmyG]

Hey Robert, could ya post up some pictures of the Badger for comparison...?

[shawnsairbrush]

OK
now Ive been using it for a few hrs now and not a single problem. The trigger is beautiful and like others were sayin in a previous thread it is very balanced. Its lighter then most gravity feed guns too. I tried the dagger and thought it was to heavy and unbalanced. Not to mention it looks great with the ano alum finish on the top and handle. One of the biggest things is it MADE IN THE USA !!!!!
The ab is quality !

forgot to mention that when you buy the kit it comes in a nice case with foam so the ab doesn't bounce around . Paasche went all out this time.

[redanner]

Hey Robert, could ya post up some pictures of the Badger for comparison...?

Sure Jimmy!

[shawnsairbrush]

Hey bahamut,
how would you compare the finished product compared to the prototype?
I think they listened to the artists and made an airbrush that all of us would say is quality and a great tool to use

[JimmyG]

Please pardon my hijack of your thread Shawn with questions on differences and comparisons....


OK
now Ive been using it for a few hrs now and not a single problem. The trigger is beautiful and like others were sayin in a previous thread it is very balanced. Its lighter then most gravity feed guns too. I tried the dagger and thought it was to heavy and unbalanced. Not to mention it looks great with the ano alum finish on the top and handle. One of the biggest things is it MADE IN THE USA !!!!!
The ab is quality !

forgot to mention that when you buy the kit it comes in a nice case with foam so the ab doesn't bounce around . Paasche went all out this time.
Does the Paasche Talon have a needle cap that can be removed for visibilty when doing fine hairlines....?
(like with Iwatas other than the revolution series...)


Hey bahamut,
how would you compare the finished product compared to the prototype?
I think they listened to the artists and made an airbrush that all of us would say is quality and a great tool to use

[shawnsairbrush]

Hey jimmyG
no problem highjack away.lol
Yes it does have a cap that comes off. It does allow access to the needle to pick at it and for very fine lines. Even shooting white with this gun has less problems.

[JimmyG]

Thanks Shawn.....so you can shoot fines lines with the needle cap removed...?

[Bahamut]

Deffinetly JimmyG. I can get the thing down to a hairline with the aircap off. As for clarification purposes.

PAASCHE AIRBRUSH CO.
2008 NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT
GRAVITY FEED TALON AIRBRUSH
New Features Include:
.38 mm Screw in Nickel Silver Tip
. 4 Ounce (11.8 cc) Cup with Cover
Cut-Away Handle w/Pre-set Needle Stop
Crown Aircap
New Style Trigger, Piston and Air Valve
Additional Head Sizes To Come

Shawn:
Finished product is much smoother than the proto, easier to clean also, but that's cause it's chromed. I just love that the needle and tips are soooooo damn cheap to replace.

[shawnsairbrush]

Ya jimmy fine line are great. The good thing about doing the fine lines with this gun is the gun is balanced and light , so controlling the ab for fine lines is easy.

Ya Bahamut I agree MUUUCHH easier to clean.lol . Not only cheap to replace the are close to me so I get the parts real fast.lol

[denstore]

One of the biggest things is it MADE IN THE USA !!!!!
The ab is quality !


It might be made in the USA, but does that in any way make it better? I don´t want to turn this into an argument, but does it in any way make it a better buy than japanese or german airbrushes? I will probably buy one, much because of the nice price, but I couldn´t care less where it was made. I would be especially sceptical if it said "Made in Sweden", since workers are expensive here, and that usually makes anything made here either expensive or crappy.;)

[anderekel]

Well, being that many of us are from the USA, we like to be able to support companies that still work in our country and give us jobs. With so many companies moving their production to countries like china, there are fewer companies that we can spend money on and have it remain in the US. I'm not tryin' be hard on ya or anything, just tryin' to show you what we're thinkin' when we say that. :dance:

[JimmyG]

I would say that the main factor is that replacement parts are more readily available for those that live in the US, and less expensive due to shipping costs for another factor....

[Bahamut]

IDK why it always has to turn in to this kind of crap. I don't care if it's made in the Artic Circle. It's a quality brush that's been well designed. Crafted very cleanly and balanced by someone that obviously has used an airbrush before. I would recomend this brush to anyone looking for a very nice, versitile, workhorse, gravity feed airbrush.

[ABD]

IDK why it always has to turn in to this kind of crap.

Crap??....Do I need to strap me boots on in here??....I don't see any crap sorry, ..LOL...Only way I see crap getting thick is from overreactions like calling opinions crap..haha!.....Just opinions, Nothings "turning into" anything...Tiz all good and lends spice to the conversation...Far from crap in my tally:D..Course you mention "always" so obviously you see things that I don't...."always turning into crap" seems pretty rare round these parts..hahaha!

Back to the AB..I dunno? Looks Aww-ite to me...Guess I'd have to fondle one before I could get excited over it...I've never seen an Ab that wouldn't get some kinda fine lines (unless broken)..So that's not a big seller to me....Price and parts sound nice tho!.....Them old Passche tips seemed to break more than any AB I've owned, Wonder if the new ones are beefier??

[denstore]

I´m sorry if I opened a bad can here, but I´m just curious why people judge thing from where they are made? Looking in some european forums, people are stating the Infinity and Evo airbrushes to be better because they are german. Things like "Mercedes of airbrushes", and "german quality. Personally, I don´t like them. There´s something about the trigger that I don´t like. I have both Badgers and Paasches. Will buy a Grex soon. I don´t care where it was made, but I just found it interesting that it was important to people that it was made in the USA. And I also got good answers from JimmyG and anderekel. Thanks.

[JimmyG]

Let's try not get too carried askew on country of manufacture here.....

I am asking for discussion and comparisons on technical aspects of airbrushes in the same PRICE Range as the Talon....I should have made that point clear right up front.....

Of course the Talon may not compare evenly to high end German or Japanese brushes....
It may though have some features that the expensive ones have, and that is the info that I was looking to compare....

For example, we are already hearing that the Talon's crown aircap can be removed for visibility with shooting hairlines, a feature Not (?) possible with the Revolution CR's OR Not possible with past models of Paasche airbrushes.....

[Bahamut]

Correct JimmyG, the older Paasche models wouldn't shoot without the aircap. The Talon does. The Tips are pretty hardy indeed. I had mine for about an hour and I dropped the tip taking it apart. Then to my dismay I proceded to step on it as I was looking for it. So with a few colorful metaphors and keen eye (haha) I picked it up and inspected it. It seemed no worse for the wear. I put it in the brush and it worked fine. I had an extra tip on hand so I used the new one as a comparason for the one I stepped on. Anyway Blah Blah Blah... been using the same tip for a few days now and it's just fine. In comparason to the tips for the other Paasche models these are deffinetly hardier!

[shawnsairbrush]

ABD the new ab has a new tip design. It screws in and is very much beefier. The new tip looks nothing like the old. The trigger is different to. The trigger is very smooth it kinda sit on a ball now so there is no clicks or rough feeling

[shawnsairbrush]

to give a better idea of were this ab fits is to think of it as a mid range ab at a lower price. I would even put it above mid range but to keep it safe Im sayin mid

[ABD]

Yip I knew the two tips are very much different, the screw in compared to the old floater...The floaters seemed to like to "flare" or split real easy on the tip...Like any AB will really, Whether it screws in or not. Just the old Paasche's seemed real weak on the tip...Having that beefed up would be a much added plus to the whole thing.

I always liked the trigger on my VL, very solid, smooth and easy to assemble and such...I don't use it much these days, but sometimes I'll give er a couple squeezes just to remind me how much better it is than some other ones..haha!

The Infinity has a ball type contact point on the trigger..I think it's a bad move actually..Lets the trigger float side to side more than I'd like..Tiz the only complaint I have with the Infinity, Trigger is sloppy...I'd be skeptic on other "ball" designs....So far my old VL and a few Iwatas have the best trigger action I've felt.

Thanks you guys for playing with all this info...Handy having 1st hand vibes from such things.

[shawnsairbrush]

I havent had any floating on the trigger. the good point about the new trigger is its easier to put back together. theres no swivel peices anymore.

[Bahamut]

The trigger is very stable on the Talon. It's not really a ball to say, it's more of a point and socket. The needle pass through holds the trigger very securly in place while the point it sits on allows it to move very freely. The way the trigger is designed, there is hardly any actual movement on the contact point at all. Therefore I think the triger will outlast most other airbrush triggers. The older style hinged ones always seemed to get "crunchy" after a few months use. It made it hard to do fine detail. Like i said earlier I think this trigger will last a long time, but only use will tell. I think if you got the chance to hold a Talon ABD, you would be better able to tell.

[ABD]

I think if you got the chance to hold a Talon ABD, you would be better able to tell.

Oh yeah fo sho:D......I'm not knocking anything (if it seems that way). There's no way I could know. I always like to weigh the pros and cons on anything tho..All I can base it on is stuff I've played with..hehee!

Thanks for all the info:dance:

[denstore]

Considering what I have read here in the thread, and in other places, the Talon will probably end up in my stash. Seems nice, and compared to for example, the Iwata Revolution CR, also to be a better choice.

My own experience in the Revolution was quite short, but since I had to customize it a bit to make it perform as I wanted, it ended up a more expensive AB than the Talon. At the moment I think you can find the Revolution at about $70, and then change the needle and nozzle to the 0.35mm versions from the AR, it will end up at about $90. And then you still won´t have the cut out handle or preset of the Talons.

[redanner]

to give a better idea of were this ab fits is to think of it as a mid range ab at a lower price. I would even put it above mid range but to keep it safe Im sayin mid

shwnsairbrush STOP Stop your making my head spin! I want one! I've always known that Passche was good brush but just never bought one! My Ab instructor in college swore by Paasche! I want one!:crazy:

Edit: This is not a Hy-Jack it is a Sky-Jack! And if any company could use designs like other airbrushes and make them right & affordable its Passche!

[shawnsairbrush]

Well guys Ive had more time with the Talon. I have got to say this brush still is a very good brush. The only problem s with white, but white is always a troubled area for abs.But since the cap can be taken off its easy to pick at the needle to clear it. I still think this is a top notch ab for the price !!!

[Bahamut]

HOK makes a nice uro white. Doesn't get all crappy and spitty right away. I always have problems with white... red a bit also.

[SteveNunez]

Just ordered a Talon- I'll let you guys know what I think of it.

[maxxpaane]

Dang! was gettin pretty hairy there for a minute. That talon looks to be a pretty sleek design improvement overall. I've got a Vl which I haven't used in awhile, this might be worth considering. We should also congratulate Dell for hitting his 10,000th post!! Way to go Dell! MP

[MickD]

I should be recieving my Talon any day now and I'll post my first impressions.
I also picked up a HP-C+ (2nd hand, nearly new) for a fair price, it will be good to put them side by side both without any previous use by myself, I'm sure they will both have a permanent place in 'the rack' though ;)

[Strictly Attitude]

I like the talon it's a nice ab little finicky at times but overall a nice spraying gun any one know why the knob on the preset handle has two knobs?

[MikeVictor]

I'm brand new at airbrushing, mostly wanted to paint RC model airplanes. I bought the talon, should be here Monday so I can start practicing with it. Looking for videos online like the ones Ed Hobbs does. Very good.

As a beginner, I really like the needle control screw on the back to help prevent overspray, at least till I get my finger calibrated. Nice feature. Glad to hear all the positive comments.

Hope to have a long relationship with you guys, maybe we can all learn a few things from each other. I know I will be doing some learning.

Mike
:action-smiley-069:

[friscogoalie]

I got the Talon just before Xmas in 2008 and have not taken it out of the box until now. I have been using a Dagr and one of the G23 Master airbrushes with the Dagr being my instrument of choice until now.

I took the talon out of the box last Sunday (May 10) and decided to jump in head first and use it for the majority of my Bathroom Mural project and to keep the Dagr loaded with white for shooting in the outlines and ghosting in images before coloring and putting in details. I used the stock needle that came with the Talon even though I do have all 3 size needles, nozzles, etc for the Talon sitting in my chest. All I can say is the Talon worked like a champ. I did close to 60 hours worth of painting in a 7 day period, with a few 12+ hour days using the Talon for the majority of the work.

The Talon is easy to work with. It's also very easy to dis-assemble, clean and reassemble. I really like the one piece trigger design since it eliminates the whole playing with the swivel pin part that most AB's have. Just pop it in and it's ready for the rest of the assembly process without playing with the swivel part until it lines up. The size, weight and feel are also very easy to work with.

As for performance, I did not have any issues with white causing dry tip, until I got to the ceiling. But that was more of an issue of gravity and needing to get out the side feed airbrush, than and issue with the Talon. It was easy to work with, easy to adjust to and overall makes me want to pick up a second one so that I have it to run with when I want to use more than one brush @ the same time. For the $$$ this brush is a bargain.

I have a thread in the murals section titled Kid's bathroom renovation which shows what I did with the Talon. A complete step by step can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wjm_photo/sets/72157618053503738/

Josh

[PAINTITON]

BACK INTO AB AFTER A Few YEARS.just got the talon 3 weeks ago..love it!

the rear flow control is great.just like a spray gun

[ferro]

Dear Sirs,

we want inform You that we are selling since 2008 a new water based clear coat (3:1) with only 1,32 VOC level.

Please visit our internet site at: http://www.allchem.it/home_1.asp

You can ask to Yr regular supplier for the product.

Best regards,

Ferruccio Basetti

[ABD]

Dear Sirs,

we want inform You that we are selling since 2008 a new water based clear coat (3:1) with only 1,32 VOC level.

Please visit our internet site at: http://www.allchem.it/home_1.asp

You can ask to Yr regular supplier for the product.

Best regards,

Ferruccio Basetti

Ferro Please keep your product pushing limited...Start your own thread and update it from time to time or at least reply to threads that are asking about such things....This is your 4th reply and they are all the same and in random threads.....Seems you are into the paint biz which is the only reason I didn't delete them all as spam....If you are having troubles navigating the site, Just ask one of the many helpful staff or senior members around here:D

[PAINTITON]

so good i got another

[HighRisk]

Tell me how you guys properly back flush the gun with that crown cap?

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

take the crown cap off ,retract the needle and hold yer finger over enough for it to blow back ,or alterantivly use a rubber cap over the tip as supplied by H&S or Badger

[HighRisk]

take the crown cap off ,retract the needle and hold yer finger over enough for it to blow back ,or alterantivly use a rubber cap over the tip as supplied by H&S or Badger

I have been using a rubber cap but i bent my crown cap a little. I will try it the other way. Thanks. :wave: