Wanted Airbrush Info

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I won my disability hearing and will be coming into some money in a month or two. They have to pay me for about 2 years back pay and then a monthly income! I want to buy a couple of good high quality airbrushes. I’ve been to the different brand name's web sites but the info I get is only parcel & one sided. So I started this thread to get input from the actual users.

[AndyW]

We......elllll I got to back the Grex range, great quality at a sensible price, use the Genisis XG. 0.3, gravity fed, getting the XN, 0.2 gravity during the summer and spares aren't a rip off either.

[ABD]

The Infinity you have now equals right up there on the list..IMO...I haven't had a lot of time with high end AB's but I find the Infinity and Micron to be near equals....Just some food for thought:D

[draggin81]

First off congrats on winning your disability (I know that sounds odd, but it makes sense to anyone who's ever had to apply for disability).
As far as high-end airbrushes go, my personal favorite is the Olympos MP200 line. If you can get your hands on one, don't let it pass by. Even the "C" model with the larger nozzle will pull incredibly fine lines.
I'll give you an opinion on Iwata microns, but I'm still waiting for mine.
The Infinity is another very good option. The suprising thing is that all of those doo-hickeys and bells and whistles are also actually practical and useful should you decide to use them. IMO, it's about a 1/2 step behind the Olympos, but it's a pretty damn small 1/2 step.

[Jeroen - CDM]

I would love to get a Eclipse CS, but them replacement parts are very expensive & hard to get...

[Cowboy]

Red , I have not Bought one YET, But I,m sure hearing alot of Great things about the new Badger Renegade ( I beleive its called ) . Not a high end AB, But There saying its Equall to a lot of the High end ones ,For less bucks. Justa thought .Oh Yea, Congrats on the Hearing .

[denstore]

A couple? Is that 2 or more? If more than 2, I would probably go for something in the midrange, like the Grexes, Iwata Hi-Line, or Infinitys. If 2 are enough, why not a couple of Microns?

[airdoom]

infinity 2 in 1 is a great AB IMO, it's the best I own so far... I've got 3 Iwata and like better the infinity

[theairbrushguy]

Hey Rob. Congrats on your hearing. I am a fan if Iwata's really no matter what model. Use 4 models on a regular basis and the guys that work here use them as well. Got a bunch of other brands in a drawer that I have tried but just dont like that much. Also, where I am, its easy to get parts without having to send for them with a store right down the street.
Enjoy whatever you end up with.
TABG

www.theairbrushguys.com

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Thanks everybody for input. I would like to find someone that has had experience with the Holbein's line of airbrushes! I have an Infinity 2 in 1 and it has not become my favorite airbrush! I have been thinking about one of the airbrushes being a Micron CM CB & the second an HP SB! I've also been considering the mid range priced airbrushes & get more of a variety! The back pay could still be 3 or 4 months until I see it so I have time. Does anybody have good or bad info on the Richpen line? I don't want a Mojo because I have past knowledge skills to fine tune any decent airbrush on the market! I'm not knocking Mike Learn's desire to make money its just not my thing!

[denstore]

I have a couple of the Rich brushes, and I really like them. They are solid, quality tools. Sometimes the Iwatas look a little better, especially crome o the inside, but I usually doesn´t feel it matter so much. I´m thinking about buying the Mojo/Moflo/Peak deal, not so much because of the tuning, but because its a quite good deal.

[draggin81]

I think the question comes down to what you define as "high end", and how much price is a factor, as well as ease of getting replacement parts, cost of replacement parts, etc.
Despite the fact that you can't get direct replacement parts (Iwata parts fits, though), I'd still say find an Olympos MP200. I bought mine from JW, and it still has the original needle and 2 matched heads, one never used, and the other the one that came with the ab. I'm not sure exactly how old it is, but I know JW had it for quite a while.
I've always had good luck with Iwata, so I would imagine thier microns are good. From what I've been told, they are either equal to, or very close to, the Olympos microns (depends on who you ask).
As far as really, true high end airbrushes go, those are your two main choices. I'd rank the Infinity a very small step behind those two, but its still a great AB, and a hell of a deal for the price.

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

hi there i have a Holbein Y2 actualy they are made by Hohmi Japan for holbein and others

platinum aloy nozzles hardened needles mineral fibre paint seals stainless fittings and reports of fifteen years use without need to purchase spares of any description which supports thier durability claims

these are fantastic out the box fine detailing brushes but will not produce a wide spray pattern[they do larger models though] ,they use a three piece baffled head unit similar to a micron and also come with an optional at the head air regulator on the dash models and all at less than $130 at http://www.black-horse.com/
hope this info helps as i use my one a lot more than all my other brushes for detailing which they can do even with the aircap in place due to a very long needle

paul
thats twice i have posted info about these tonight

[sharonsstudio]

Hey robert.. I"m going through the same delima.. I love My Iawata hp-c. but am leaning towards the micron. or the Mojo.. still reading up an them.. I'll be watching this thread to see what everyone uses..

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hi there i have a Holbein Y2 actualy they are made by Hohmi Japan for holbein and others

platinum aloy nozzles hardened needles mineral fibre paint seals stainless fittings and reports of fifteen years use without need to purchase spares of any description which supports thier durability claims

these are fantastic out the box fine detailing brushes but will not produce a wide spray pattern[they do larger models though] ,they use a three piece baffled head unit similar to a micron and also come with an optional at the head air regulator on the dash models and all at less than $130 at http://www.black-horse.com/
hope this info helps as i use my one a lot more than all my other brushes for detailing which they can do even with the aircap in place due to a very long needle

paul
thats twice i have posted info about these tonight


Thanks Paul I have been researching the Holbein and requested material from the company. We will see if they comply with my information request. I've heard little about them but all good no bad! But how the company treats me may determine if I purchase one!

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Well people this is a great bump! I received the Judge's judgment in the mail and it is in fully favorable! The time schedule for monies is narrowing down. I've decided I'm going to purchase the Iwata Custom Micron CM-B & the CM-SB as soon as the back paycheck arrives! I will keep you posted!!!

[ABD]

Well people this is a great bump! I received the Judge's judgment in the mail and it is in fully favorable! The time schedule for monies is narrowing down. I've decided I'm going to purchase the Iwata Custom Micron CM-B & the CM-SB as soon as the back paycheck arrives! I will keep you posted!!!

I'm sure everyone is different..But I know when my father went through the same thing...(He went right through with no contesting, which everyone said was rare and a good thing)..It was almost 2 years before he got any monies..

Hope you have better luck..Fingers crossed for ya!

[Jeroen - CDM]

How maby ab's you have man?? hehe

Paint somethin' & show us!!!!!!!!!

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I'm sure everyone is different..But I know when my father went through the same thing...(He went right through with no contesting, which everyone said was rare and a good thing)..It was almost 2 years before he got any monies..

Hope you have better luck..Fingers crossed for ya!

Dell I've already been through a 2 1/2 year wait! My attorney said it will be maybe 6 weeks now! Was your father's Social Security? My disability claim is with Social Security & the 2 1/2 year wait is their process and yes there is a little more red tape but my attorney doesn't get paid until I do so I don't think he will let them stall! I will get paid for 2 years of wait with regular monies every month! In 3 years my case will be reviewed but shouldn't be a problem because my condition will only get worse! Thanks for the concern!

[ABD]

Dell I've already been through a 2 1/2 year wait! My attorney said it will be maybe 6 weeks now! Was your father's Social Security? My disability claim is with Social Security & the 2 1/2 year wait is their process and yes there is a little more red tape but my attorney doesn't get paid until I do so I don't think he will let them stall! Thanks for the concern!

Yup, social security/disability (back operation, put him outta work for good)...If yer talking the entire process it was more like 5 years for him.The wait you mentioned and all that...Once the final deal was done though, no more courts and paper work...Was a near 2 year wait...Everyone complimented on how smooth his case went..hahaha..Smooth maybe, timely, Not even close..hahaha!

Hope yours goes better:D

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How maby ab's you have man?? hehe

Paint somethin' & show us!!!!!!!!!

Sorry jeroen I don't show & tell anymore! And to the other question you can look it up in the Polls Thread "Which Airbrush Are You Using?

[kontraktkillah]

I do all of my a/b ing with Microns own 2 of em and also I use Hi-line also Never could go wrong with either

[denstore]

I recently bought another Olympos, a Micron, on ebay. Even if it became a bit expensive, and the sellers statement that it looked new in box was a load of bull, it sprays really tops, and the trigger is a lot better than my new CM-C+.

[draggin81]

I hear ya. My MP200-C and I are going to elope. I just have to find a country where a man can legally marry his airbrush, which apparently isn't as common as one would think.

[denstore]

They are bleeding expensive, though. Just lost an auction, which ended at €234. That´s about $365. Crazy really, for an unseen, second hand MP-200C.....

[HotAir]

I've used a variety of gunz & my personal favorite is Iwatas!!! I like the quality & feel of the gun... Basically it's preference, you have to try for yourself & see which betr for U... Aloha -HotAir-

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Yesterday was the first day of the rest of my life! My disability payments started & I got back monies from Oct 2006-June 2008 a big chunk of money & a payment every month from now on! I've decided on the airbrushes that I'm going to buy;
1. Custom Micron CM-B
2.hi-line HP-BH
3. HP-B Plus

I'm going to order all 3 at the same time with air hoses! I afraid I'm coming off or sounding like I'm bragging, I'm sorry if I do. But I've never been able to buy something just because I can. But this purchase will be put to good use!

Bob

[denstore]

Nice choice, but why both the HP-BH and the HP-B+? The HP-BH ought to do everything that the HP-B+ could do.
Anyway, good to hear that you are getting whats yours. Nothing is as liberating as knowing that things will be fine for at least a while.

[ABD]

Congrats Robert!

I know the feeling of the waiting and wondering..Went through it with my paps as ya know....

Don't know beans about those AB's..but i'm sure ya did yer homework and will be happy with em...Happy purchasing:)

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Congrats Robert!

I know the feeling of the waiting and wondering..Went through it with my paps as ya know....

Don't know beans about those AB's..but i'm sure ya did yer homework and will be happy with em...Happy purchasing:)

Thanks Dell I am glad you can imagine the pressure relief! They took an application today for my youngest daughter's back pay and if she meets they qualifications she herself will receive in the ballpark of $9,000.00 but hers ends there because she is now 18! Its like after you get in the door they become helpful almost like being family. Its a strange flip-flop!

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Nice choice, but why both the HP-BH and the HP-B+? The HP-BH ought to do everything that the HP-B+ could do.
Anyway, good to hear that you are getting whats yours. Nothing is as liberating as knowing that things will be fine for at least a while.

There is some differences between the 2! Mainly gravity feed is the interest in adding more airbrushes to my collection and the fact that they are Iwata! If I have the best then I know its not the airbrush but me or paint is the problem! And also it is part of my sanity!

[denstore]

There is some differences between the 2! Mainly gravity feed is the interest in adding more airbrushes to my collection and the fact that they are Iwata! If I have the best then I know its not the airbrush but me or paint is the problem! And also it is part of my sanity!

Always nice to threat yourself once in while. And since I understand that you have been waiting a long time for this, I´m sure you need some quality time with your new airbrushes.
The reason that I wrote was that I recently sold my HP-C+ since I bought a HP-CH, and they where practically identical. When I look and compare the HP-B+ and the HP-BH, they seem to be just as similar.

[ABD]

Again, no clue about those AB's (to lazy to hunt:D)....Have ya thought about adding a side feed to the weapons of choice??...If I had to pick one AB out of all, it'd be a side feed..Just like the versatility of em...From the lil details with a lil cup..to big ass backgrounds, plug in a bottle and spray all day, upside down and all!..Weeeeeeeee..haha

Just a ponder.

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Again, no clue about those AB's (to lazy to hunt:D)....Have ya thought about adding a side feed to the weapons of choice??...If I had to pick one AB out of all, it'd be a side feed..Just like the versatility of em...From the lil details with a lil cup..to big ass backgrounds, plug in a bottle and spray all day, upside down and all!..Weeeeeeeee..haha

Just a ponder.

Dell I've thought about Side cups! the hi-line doesn't come that way but the other 2 do! At first I was going to go that route and then I change my mind! I want gravity feed! Side cups are good airbrushes but they are still classified as siphon feed! Gravity feed will respond quicker even if it can't be discernable! Side feed airbrushes were originally designed for architectural airbrushing so the cup could be positioned for airbrushing an image in the flat horizontal position! I have no interest in anything but fine art!
Thanks for the suggestion!

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Always nice to threat yourself once in while. And since I understand that you have been waiting a long time for this, I´m sure you need some quality time with your new airbrushes.
The reason that I wrote was that I recently sold my HP-C+ since I bought a HP-CH, and they where practically identical. When I look and compare the HP-B+ and the HP-BH, they seem to be just as similar.

Thanks for your opinion denstore but part of what I'm doing is because I can! I probably will find some similarities but thats alright I'm spending money and treating myself because I can! I would be more than happy to read any advise maybe about a different brand that is comparable but the only one I can think of is an Olympus but I want something regular on the airbrush market!

Thanks Bob

[draggin81]

I just got a CM-SB, and I have to say, I really like the side feed. It took a little getting used to, but not having the paint cup to look around is nice. The response is at least as good as my Olympos micron, which is gravity feed.
I didn't pay all that much attention in physics, but to me the side cup definitely acts more like a gravity feed. Kinda one of those half and half things.

As far as Olympos vs. Iwata, I'd take an Olympos any day, especially any of the MP series. All of the parts are compatable with Iwata (that I'm aware of, anyway), they just seem to have a higher quality to them.
You can get HP and SP series parts from overseas is you're a stickler for that, but I find that either Iwata or Grex parts works just fine in my HP's (haven't had to change anything in my MP200 yet. knock on wood.)

[fontgeek]

The side feed brushes ARE gravity feed if the cup/reservoir is pointing upwards.
Gravity pushes the paint down in the reservoir which keeps the paint fed to the nozzle. No magic here.
Like ABD, if I had to choose one brush, it would be a side feed brush. The fact that most of them can work as a siphon feed or gravity feed is a nice plus, but having the cup that can swivel to any desire angle is a MAJOR help.

While you listed some nice brushes, I too am surprised at the purchase of the two B models, the only real difference between the Highline and the standard B model is the MAC valve, and to be honest, you could ad a G-MAC into your setup, and have better control with ALL your brushes rather than limiting your capability to just the one.

In the end, you have to decide what your needs and desires are, while you have repeatedly stated "High End Brushes", you haven't said what nich they need to fill, what kind of paint or painting you need to do, or are planning on doing. Owning Microns from both Iwata and Olympos, I too would take the Olympos long before I would the Iwata. Don't get me wrong, the Iwata's are nice, but once you have used the Olympos, you will see why they are so popular.
If you are just looking for brushes to have in your collection, that's a very personal ball game, you have to decide what you do or don't want to be able to show off.
For very nice quality airbrushes at a very good price, I would look at the Grex lineup, and maybe add an Olympos Micron in for the super detail.
I like my Invinity, but it doesn't feel as solid in my hands, and I like my AB Turbo, but it is very finiky, and a bit more of a challenge to work with.
Again, so much depends upon your individual needs and tastes.

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The side feed brushes ARE gravity feed if the cup/reservoir is pointing upwards.
Gravity pushes the paint down in the reservoir which keeps the paint fed to the nozzle. No magic here.
Like ABD, if I had to choose one brush, it would be a side feed brush. The fact that most of them can work as a siphon feed or gravity feed is a nice plus, but having the cup that can swivel to any desire angle is a MAJOR help.

While you listed some nice brushes, I too am surprised at the purchase of the two B models, the only real difference between the Highline and the standard B model is the MAC valve, and to be honest, you could ad a G-MAC into your setup, and have better control with ALL your brushes rather than limiting your capability to just the one.

In the end, you have to decide what your needs and desires are, while you have repeatedly stated "High End Brushes", you haven't said what nich they need to fill, what kind of paint or painting you need to do, or are planning on doing. Owning Microns from both Iwata and Olympos, I too would take the Olympos long before I would the Iwata. Don't get me wrong, the Iwata's are nice, but once you have used the Olympos, you will see why they are so popular.
If you are just looking for brushes to have in your collection, that's a very personal ball game, you have to decide what you do or don't want to be able to show off.
For very nice quality airbrushes at a very good price, I would look at the Grex lineup, and maybe add an Olympos Micron in for the super detail.
I like my Invinity, but it doesn't feel as solid in my hands, and I like my AB Turbo, but it is very finiky, and a bit more of a challenge to work with.
Again, so much depends upon your individual needs and tastes.

Thanks for the input fontgeek (The Masked Warrior),

I own a Thayer & Chandler A & AA that are side feeds. These airbrush models were before Badger bought T&C. They are from the 1980s. In fact the Badger 100 series duplicates this T&C models.

I went back and reviewed all the different airbrush brands & styles. I can't find anything over Iwata that I want. I already own an Infinity 2 in 1 and I've not been able to adjust to the trigger.

I'm just working on becoming a proficient fine art airbrush artist. I'm not interested in anything that involves automotive type paints. These are the airbrushes I'm going to purchase if my wife stops spending long enough for me to spend. My wife nickels & dimes us where as I blow a big roll then I'm done for a while.

Custom Micron SB

HPB Hi-Line

HP SB Plus

[ABD]

I already own an Infinity 2 in 1 and I've not been able to adjust to the trigger.


EDIT:...hahaha..never mind..read it wrong..hahaha..I thought ya said ya can't adjust the trigger...hahahaa....It's the fumes I'm tellin ya!

[Jeroen - CDM]

hahaha, same I read LOL (we need to see the doc. hehe)

[denstore]

The side feed brushes ARE gravity feed if the cup/reservoir is pointing upwards.
Gravity pushes the paint down in the reservoir which keeps the paint fed to the nozzle. No magic here.
Like ABD, if I had to choose one brush, it would be a side feed brush. The fact that most of them can work as a siphon feed or gravity feed is a nice plus, but having the cup that can swivel to any desire angle is a MAJOR help.

While you listed some nice brushes, I too am surprised at the purchase of the two B models, the only real difference between the Highline and the standard B model is the MAC valve, and to be honest, you could ad a G-MAC into your setup, and have better control with ALL your brushes rather than limiting your capability to just the one.


At least my Eclipse SBS was more a siphon side feed than a true gravity fed brush. And the same with a couple of other similar airbrushes. They need suction to get the paint flowing. The outlet of the cup is on the side of the cup. But my Olympos HP-101 behaves more like a gravity fed since the outlet of the cup is in the bottom level of the cup. Sure, it´s a lot more clumsy than the SBS, but the characteristics are more like a gravity fed. When it comes to which is best, I believe that it depends on how thick paint is used. In my experience, the gravity feds are a lot more forgiving when spraying thicker stuff.

When it comes to the MAC-valve compared to the G-MAC, I would like to say that I like the true MAC better. Especially on the Hi-Lines. The placement and feel is better than having the valve between the hose and the brush. But of course, it´s the only way if you feel the need of having a valve at hand on that old favorite airbrush. As an example, I like the G-MAC-type when I use some of my airbrushes, but I would prefere my MP-200 or Mojo every time compared to the CM-C+ even if they havn´t any MACs at all...

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EDIT:...hahaha..never mind..read it wrong..hahaha..I thought ya said ya can't adjust the trigger...hahahaa....It's the fumes I'm tellin ya!

Well Dell mine isn't paint fumes but I get the same way!!! Did ya get my pm? I paid my oldest son's $271.35 wireless phone bill today. If things like that get keep being thrown at me I won't being able to use any of this info in this thread for a while..

Edit: Sponge Bob Square Pants!

[JimmyG]

Wow Robert, I woulda hit the ceiling with a son's phone bill like that.....
Have you talked about your Infinity trigger problem in any other threads?
I am just curious and wondered as the trigger on my Infinity is so very very sweet.....

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

im with you denstore the iwata side feed also known as a compromise cup is in fact suction as the paint is picked up from the bottom of the cup via an internal tube set into the double walled cup it only has limited gravity effect when filled above the centre line of the airbrush so basicly only when the cup is full

for most times it is sucking paint through so actualy needs slightly more airpressure to work than a true gravity top feed AB

however if you have spare cups at hand it makes for extremly fast colour changes just like a bottle feed and a lot of artist prefere it due to the better sightline it provides
personaly i dont like the balance of them

as for a MAC valve its a handy gadget i dont often use as i much prefer to adjust my diapragm regulator but if the choice is there then yes i would rather have one than not ,the gmac types just add extra crap underneath my brush which i dont like as all to often they can ground out when working at low angles
paul

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

They are bleeding expensive, though. Just lost an auction, which ended at €234. That´s about $365. Crazy really, for an unseen, second hand MP-200C.....

i have seen them listed brand new in germany for 365 euros the SPC 0.23 or SPB 0.18 are better options at around 240euros and took over from the deleted microns as the olympos top of the range brushes

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

EDIT:...hahaha..never mind..read it wrong..hahaha..I thought ya said ya can't adjust the trigger...hahahaa....It's the fumes I'm tellin ya!

many a true word spoken in jest as the tensioner wont adjust properly with the newer designed thicker infinity trigger ,the flat instead or round contact point to the chuck creats too much interferance and the older evolution trigger corrects this problem when fitted to the infinty ,i reprofiled my infinty trigger to match the evo profile when i found out what the problem was ,it also causes sticking problems on the return action but no matter what you do to the tensioner the spring tension always feels the same which defeats haveing one in the first place

when i first tried the evo trigger it transformed the action of the brush which made me look closely at the infinty trigger to see exactly what the differences where other than the fancy machined holes which are there purely for cosmetic reasons

paul

[denstore]

i have seen them listed brand new in germany for 365 euros the SPC 0.23 or SPB 0.18 are better options at around 240euros and took over from the deleted microns as the olympos top of the range brushes

Yeah ,that why I let it go. But even if the SP-versions are nice, I want another MP-200. Preferably a C. And, even if they are expensive, at least you get two setups of nozzles, which isn´t included in the Iwatas.

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

yep i dont know if those are new old stock as was under the impresion olympos went bankrupt some years ago

to be honest i think olympos are now being outpaced by othere manucturers advances and the one brush that comes to mind is the new badger renagade series ,in an unbiased report i have seen an owner compared his 0.21 velocity with his micron c and he is adamant the renagade performs better as do others who have purcheased the renagade brushes


but the big difference here is the price as a renagede is currently listed discounted to $97 at BearAir ,that would be three velocities to one heavily discounted micron and to be absolutly honest i would buy at that price just to check them out

Badger are useing new tech springs in both the trigger and the airvalve special factory polished needles and the sotar 20/20/ headset in conjuction with gravity side and bottle feed versions of the renagade

[draggin81]

I'm curious about whether the new Badgers live up to the hype or not, but I have to admit I'm pretty doubtful they are really as good as the initial reports have been. I think some of it is a placebo effect.
Someone gets a new airbrush, and they want and expect it to be the mythical "magic wand" airbrush, so when they use it, thats what they perceive.
Of course, given a chance, I'd try one out, though.

JfJ- what exactly are you airbrushing that you're shooting at such low angles that a G-MAC hits the substrate? I have water traps and a G-MAC on my microns and never ran into that problem.
Personally, I like how it gives you a few alternative ways to hold the airbrush. For me, it seems to make the airbrush a bit steadier in my hand.

Either way, I'd take a G-MAC over a normal MAC valve any day. I find it gives much more precise control over the air pressure, most likely due to the larger adjustment wheel. I have airbrushes with MAC valves that I never end up using the MAC valve, and instead just adjust the pressure at the G-MAC.

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

its when im useing the airbrush for a certain spray pattern that requires it to be held as near flat as possible to the surface makeing use of the cone fan to get fade out effects or when im spraying at the base of bottles for a flame effect

its a spraying angle is use often so i dont like too much crap hanging form the brush ,even a quick release system is awkward and fitting hoses directly to the brush favours this type of use better ,the perfect system is the aztek one where the airline ataches to the rear of the brush ,unfortunaty that is not feasable on other models ,conopoise/rotring use an angled rear faceing airline atachment to get rid of the airline problem

comeing in flat and at low air pressure for waterdrop effects is another example of needing good clearences

Paul

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

as for the badger renagades some very experianced users are giveing some fantastic reviews on them some of these are die hard micron users

at $97 USD whats to lose and the plasibo effect works both ways so when something is cheap to buy we can fool ourselves based on that fact as well and just expect it to be crap so therefor we will never admit to ourselves it is superior to a more expensive item

ie how can a $97 brush spray better than a $600 brush ? our minds wont accept it could be true therefor it isnt

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as for the badger renagades some very experianced users are giveing some fantastic reviews on them some of these are die hard micron users

at $97 USD whats to lose and the plasibo effect works both ways so when something is cheap to buy we can fool ourselves based on that fact as well and just expect it to be crap so therefor we will never admit to ourselves it is superior to a more expensive item

ie how can a $97 brush spray better than a $600 brush ? our minds wont accept it could be true therefor it isnt

Paul you are absolutely correct! Here is info posted by Neil

http://www.airbrushtech.info/AIRBRUSH/forum/showthread.php?t=5713
From the pages of Fine Scale Modeler Magazine:

Badger Air-Brush Co., the world's leading manufacture and distributor of airbrushes and related products for use in varying applications - especially custom automobile art, proudly and boldly introduces the new Renegade Airbrush Series. Badger's Renegade Airbrush Series consist of three feature loaded airbrushes - the Velocity, the Spirit, and the Rage, for use in extremely tight - detail oriented custom auto graphic applications.

Badger Air-Brush Co.'s new American made Renegade Airbrush Series is developed and designed for the very specific and intricate needs of custom graphic artists who have chosen the automobile or other hard surfaces as their creation canvas. The Renegade Series features three different airbrushes (gravity feed, side feed, siphon feed) to satisfy the usage preference of all automobile graphic artists - regardless of their airbrush style. These incredibly innovative airbrushes feature new “tensionsense” trigger action, "stopset" trigger setting system, exact taper micro-precise paint tips, "pointperfect" carbide polished needles, "smartcenter" nozzle assemblies, the most precise paint tips and linear air flow needle angles and many other features never before available in a Badger or any other airbrush.

Quite frankly, these airbrushes aren’t for everyone, they are several levels above the ordinary artist. These aren’t for the artist who thinks he’s good – they are for the proven elite artist. Anyone less is not ready for the Renegade Series, and “wannabees” best earn their stripes on a lesser airbrush before they get into an airbrush at this level of the performance scale. But if you’re there – if you’re at the point and capability of undeniable airbrush excellence, then you may be ready to know the beauty and perfection of the Renegade Airbrush Series, and the realization so tight has never been so easy.

Notable Renegade Airbrush Series Features

~ "Tensionsense" ultra responsive trigger stability tension control system

~ "Stopset" accu-precision trigger setting mode

~ Exact taper fit, non-thread micro-precise paint tips

~ "Pointperfect" polished needle micrology

~ "Smartcenter" nozzle technology with a patented "guide and hold" assembly
design that ensures perfect paint tip centering for tighter line production

~ .21mm paint tips (.33 on R3R) 6 degree needle point linear air flow angle (6.5 on R3R)

Ken Schlotfeldt, owner of Badger Airbrush Co., was asked how they compared to the Sotar and the 100LG and he said the following:


They have a mix of technology - some from each of these and some other guns as well. Then we have some new spring and seal technology, and a new polished needle process that makes the line fineness and atomization detail tighter than anything I've ever seen before on anyone's airbrush. Cost wise they are less than the Sotars, capabilty wise they are better than 100s and as good and better than the Sotars as they have the Sotar nozzle technology with this new polished needle.

To find out more about the Renegade Airbrush Series keep an eye out at www.badgerairbrush.com (http://www.badgerairbrush.com/)
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im not saying iwata are resting on thier lorals but others are catching up and winning the technoligy and the price war

the renagade is available at chinese fengda knockoff prices but iwatas answear is to produce the budget revolution range which is still priced higher than the renagade

iwata is quality but it certainly is not the best available but the price of iwata is to me unjustifiably high and i personaly believe it is mainly selling due to high profile sponcered users

paul