Single/Double Action

[fluxmode]

Hi All, as im just starting out on the airbrush road, and a newbie to the forum, i thought i would fire off with my first question.... Single Action and Double, what are the advantages/disadvantages of these two types of Airbrush? Ty

Flux:crazy:

[AndyW]

Probably single if you are just laying down large undetailed area of paint ie slap it on lol.........

The double now, what fun once you gain a bit of control jigging the air and amount of paint, great fun, nice fine lines etc an as Gordon says detail.

[fluxmode]

Hi Gordon,

thank you for the advice, so i will aim at the D/action, that is unless my good lady wants a tan in a bottle job! :lol:
Oh i created the av while playing around with a photo editing proggy.....many moons ago when i found the internet......btw like your work! Do you want an apprentice? :wink2:

Cheers

Flux

[fluxmode]

Thanks for that Andy.....:cheers:

Flux

[AndyW]

No probs, now you just hve to sort out which one an that is a right can of worms as everybody has there favourites. There are quite a few threads on the subject.

[ABD]

I'm a fan of the single myself:D

Passhe H was my 1st AB when i was twelve...I got used to it really quick...I always use 2 hands to AB anyway..One hand to steady my AB hand:crazy:...Only diff with a single action ya have to use yer other hand to twist the needle adjustment.

Granted I wont reach for a single action on a job..I've since upgraded..But I wont knock it either..Tiz a good lil AB to mess with:D

I'll see if I can find a pic I did..One of the 1st things I ever painted..Piece of paper with a single action...I did up a skull has to be quarter size...Didn't come out bad for a kid..LOL



EDIT::: found it Weeee, hahaa!..........Keep in mind this is a 20 yer old piece of paper...Phone number scribbled on it..spills and whatnot....painted by a punk 12 year old..LOL...I had no clue what I was doing..I drew a pic and tried to color it.....Single action AB and paint robbed from rattle cans....It's far from spiffy..But there's some lines in there I bet could rival peeps with their double action:D

[ABD]

Yer just showin' off now Dell, oh look how well the paint atomizes!! LOL 20 years old mate, good show.

Sorry Flux, no apprentice yet, but you never know????

hahahaa..Hell back then I had no clue there were other AB's out there...double action who???...LOL...I just wanted something to work better than a rattle can:crazy:

[redanner]

Double action with no doubt is what you want to start with! Single action is great for spraying back grounds and the likes so don't turn one down if someone offers to give ya one or it's real cheap like 5 or 10 dollars for it. Although know days the double action's with needle sets is like turning a double action into a single by restricting the needle movement!

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

singles can be usefull especialy internal mix types as it press and go with a consistant amount of paint but im with everyone else a double is the way forward

the ones i like the most are fixed doubles where the air and paint is controled on one plane ie pull back for air then further back for paint these IMO are easier to master than the push for air pull for paint types usualy on offer


once again there are hundreds of models and brands to choose from from a few £ to a few hundred ££££


your choice will depend on your aplication and your budget ,you will find plenty of mostly unbiased advice on this forum so decide what you are aiming to do and with what paints you intend to use that way you will get good sound advice on the choice of brand and model to suite you


paul

[denstore]

Except for the price issue, I can´t see any advantages with single action. All you can do with the single, the double can do as well. And most important, you´ll learn to use it the right way from the beginning. I was recommended single actions in the beginning, and believe it was wrong. If you can afford a decent double action, go for it.

[fluxmode]

Thank you all for the pointers and advice, ....i have just relieved a friend of a single action and a double action a/b...both cheap and cheerful types..(no brand names etc).... so now i can jump in and give it a bash, i used to woodcarve..(basically self taught).. to what i consider a fair standard...managing to sell a couple of pieces.....but what i did learn is cheap chizels gave cheap results...not to mention frustration...would i be right in thinking its the same with airbrushing?? Im not looking at the high end airbrushes....but something that will give pleasing results, without the headache. I have the 2 airbrushes....a 110 litre clarke compressor....which i use for the odd airtool...(will this do the job?). The noise doesnt bother me....but im sure the noise made when the compressor kicks in and out will have my neighbours backs up! Looked at SilAir silent range?
I have read different airbrush reviews on makes etc, and i am looking at the Iwata range...noting someone saying High lines, Infinitys, Microns. Also whats the opinion on spray guns for laying base coats and finishing mediums??

Any feedback on the above would be much appreciated.

Flux:action-smiley-054:

[ABD]

Heya Flux, yeah that comp should work fine..But make sure you have (or buy) a good moisture trap...Capable of filtering oil/water......Oil blowing through the lines helps airtools and all..Kills paint though:D

You're right about the cheaper Ab's possibly giving you a hard time..Same time though the expensive ones can be finicky...I think it's more about using proper paint mixes and taking good care of your equipment.....So long as the AB has no defects, they'll all work for what they're intended. if you take care of em........Seems 90% of the time the paint mix is the prob for a missbehavin AB.

A good test is, If it starts acting up..Spray water through the AB..Look real close and make sure it sprays perfect...Now you know the prob is the paint not the AB:D

Spraqy guns..1st thing to look at is Cfm's...Make sure your Comp can handle the gun...Then onto needle/nozzle size...Bigger 2.0 and such are great for Primers...Smaller 1.4 (give or take) are good for Clears and base coats.

No expert here, just talking from my play time..LOL...Take from it what you will..haha!

[ARTSPRAYJ4J]

spray gun will depend on what you want to do but as you sound like you will be doing smaller items not cars then go for a mini gun ,these use far less air and will lay down clears and reduced primers they are also fine for backgrounds useing base coat

if you are looking at spray guns then silair compressors wont give you the output to run them ,as a rule it is best to get a compressor that gives twice or more the CFM that the tool requires

most mini guns use around 4cfm so you would be looking at a 2hp 8cfm compressor ,this will run all your airbrush requirments easily

paul

[fluxmode]

Thanks for the advice fella,s ....ive booked on a Ab course with fred crellin at artimagination, ive opted for the beginner to advanced course....looking really forward to it.....i will no doubt get to use different AB,s etc and see which one i get along with...not to mention the info and such i will take away from the 5 days im there.

Take care

Flux:juggle:

[HotAir]

Hi there Flux, My suggestion is to get an Dble action gun, it does takes a lil more time to master since there two actions ya have to get used to 1) press (for air) 2) pull (for paint) where as single action U jus simply press the trigger... Some may beg to differ but I feel I get more versatility & control w/a Dbl action gun... Aloha -Hot Air-

[sharonsstudio]

started out with a single.. it wasn't bad. but love the D action... still use the single for backgrounds or single color things..