true fire dvd...bah!

[jerseycrazee]

hey all well i got the lavallee true fire dvd and as usual as things never seem to go right with me and fire i got the wrong one,,,,ack!
well he is using the artool templates and he does refer to his "secrets of true fire dvd "often as a must have...lol
i will still be able to get alot of good tricks and tips and i have the basic color squence so all is not lost
and as usual i was going to pick up the revolution iwata ,,,but it didnt come with a hose??? which kinda shocked me and the connection isnt the same as the badger so i left it at the store
Now you know why i drink!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...lol

[Primo Customs]

I have been paintn' fire for a while, What do you need help on... What paints R U using, Stencils are the killer for the fire look, You need 90% freehand, Don't over stencil it.. Get a real picture of fire not anothers redering on fire... Less is more... Send some pictures and I will try to help you...

[ABD]

hehe, like me..If not for bad luck, No luck at all,hahaha!

I would'nt sweat the DVD to much.....Just start trying things, with the basics you know...Hope i'm not stepping on toes, But Marnix on Ab.com wrote one of the best things about fire i've seen put into words..

{Quote}....From Marnix.......a flame is free in to the air , there are no borders , only the oxigen and wind change collor and direction , therefor it is is not posible to paint a realistic fire with the use of shields , the best they can look is a "frozen" moment , like in a picture , real flames have to look as they are in movement like in a movie . i know a paintjob is always a "still" image , but the trick is to sugest the movement , to sugest the heat , to sugest the reality , not to show how a realistic photo of a flame looks.{End Quote}

Hope quoting from another forum isn't breaking some Gospel Rule???

Dvd's are gonna teach you someone else's version of fire...I just think it's to random and natural to bother....Youre Fire may never look like his, But why should it?...I say Make it your own my friend.....Good luck, and show us pics:D

[Dream Weaver]

good point ABD. The true fire that I do , i do by trial and error. Trying to be and do somebody elses is never a good idea in my opinion

[colourshift]

Best bet (and I'm still following mine, and a friends advice...that would be Saint)...is reference. As in real honest to god fire reference. It's nice to have a 'system' to make it...but studying real fire is a really good way of getting into the groove. It's full of organic shapes. Unpredictable formations. It flows and twists in all sorts of wonderful 'patterns'...only they're not patterns at all.
You can kinda 'learn' what fire does...what's 'hot' and what's not... and go from there.
I'm with ABD, nice quote. And honey, there are no rules with art.

[jerseycrazee]

I have been paintn' fire for a while, What do you need help on... What paints R U using, Stencils are the killer for the fire look, You need 90% freehand, Don't over stencil it.. Get a real picture of fire not anothers redering on fire... Less is more... Send some pictures and I will try to help you...

hi primo
thanks for the offer i know i will take you up on it ...im using createx for now and have been messing around i have had a few attempts that ended badly ..oh yeah baby "crash and burn" but i am a stubborn S.O.B .
i just took a run at it again (but nothing a coat of black paint wont cure!),,,and as you mentioned i over stenciled it i have s couple of cool stencils but they dont seem to leave my hand ..and i know i need to do alot more freehand....
i appreciate the offer and i will post up an attempt thats not too hideous for publication soon
i do agree with the other comments why would you want to copy someone else way of doing things ...just too green at it so i need some visual guidance
cheers to ya
ron

[Saint]

Hey Ron,

Don't worry that you don't have the experience with it..........
Like ColourShift said, just look at reference shots.........take some photos of fire,
really look ..........
and then, slowly start with freehanding (very lightly) just some loose forms...now build slowly..........that's really the key....Then, add just a little bit of shield use, slowly, step back, look at your reference...and, I've got to tell you, you will find that it will be easier than trying to copy lavalee's approach.
It's like when you try to copy anything, heck, even if you're trying to reproduce something that YOU yourself did, it's way harder than approaching it slowly, trusting yourself and your eyes.
Give it a go and see.


Saint

[A.P.W.]

I agree with the other replies, you have to make it your own. I also looked at pics of actual fire that I took while grilling in the yard. I haven't used createx in forever so I don't remember if they have any type of transparent colors. If not that will be a big problem right there. Don't get too stressed over it, this is one of those things that once you learn it, it's super easy and fast. you will look back and laugh at how hard you thought it was. good luck. oh, and post some pics.

[colourshift]

AA (Auto Air) has transparents, as well as Kandi's. It was recommended to me by others that the Kandi should be the LAST thing you paint before clearing, as it's Dye based, just like the others...it'll bleed through. So you apply it last....clear, and voila.
You could use ComArt as well, for practice. Thinner paints, and they come in opaque and transparents.
As far as Createx textile paints, no clue.

[Clinton]

You can use the AA candies but as Colourshift stated they do like to bleed, they will turn your nice whites into peach.:) You can overcome this with a couple of extra steps, I have a how to with the AA canies and transparents if you like I could post it up. I actually have two ways of doing it with the candies, one is very simple (I teach it at my class) it uses 3 colours to acheive a fairly nice depth 3 steps. The other is involved like Mikes dvd, takes 7 clours and about 12 steps. The second does look better but for someone starting out it can be frustrating to learn all at once. The flaming skull on my website was done with the 3 colour method, but is was a stylized flame not true frire. It's what the customer wanted.

[colourshift]

Would love to talk to you more about fire Clinton, sounds like you've got an excellent handle on it...where I'm still in hack stage....as well as dealing with Candies etc.

[jerseycrazee]

You can use the AA candies but as Colourshift stated they do like to bleed, they will turn your nice whites into peach.:) You can overcome this with a couple of extra steps, I have a how to with the AA canies and transparents if you like I could post it up. I actually have two ways of doing it with the candies, one is very simple (I teach it at my class) it uses 3 colours to acheive a fairly nice depth 3 steps. The other is involved like Mikes dvd, takes 7 clours and about 12 steps. The second does look better but for someone starting out it can be frustrating to learn all at once. The flaming skull on my website was done with the 3 colour method, but is was a stylized flame not true frire. It's what the customer wanted.

hi clinton
i checked out the flaming skull and i would be elated to create something similar,,, stylized flames are cool and maybe "true fire" may be a little out of my reach to start off with (i aint givin up though)
the createx i am using are transparent deep red ,,crimson,,yellow,,sunrise yellow,,and orange
i also have opaque yellow,,white
i know there not exact colors and not really sure what kandie means..(as i laugh to my self,,as i really have no clue ...sometimes i jump right into things)
but i figure they should be close enough to create something that should look a little like fire
maybe between the dvd and what i dont know :wink2: i have been complicating the whole process
thanks for eveyones input as i need it
:cheers:

[airarts]

hehe, like me..If not for bad luck, No luck at all,hahaha!

I would'nt sweat the DVD to much.....Just start trying things, with the basics you know...Hope i'm not stepping on toes, But Marnix on Ab.com wrote one of the best things about fire i've seen put into words..

{Quote}....From Marnix.......a flame is free in to the air , there are no borders , only the oxigen and wind change collor and direction , therefor it is is not posible to paint a realistic fire with the use of shields , the best they can look is a "frozen" moment , like in a picture , real flames have to look as they are in movement like in a movie . i know a paintjob is always a "still" image , but the trick is to sugest the movement , to sugest the heat , to sugest the reality , not to show how a realistic photo of a flame looks.{End Quote}

Hope quoting from another forum isn't breaking some Gospel Rule???

Dvd's are gonna teach you someone else's version of fire...I just think it's to random and natural to bother....Youre Fire may never look like his, But why should it?...I say Make it your own my friend.....Good luck, and show us pics:D

Marnix is one of the most INSANE GENIOUS TALANTED artists I know of!

[blinddog 99]

Ron, take comfort in one thing. The lavalee stencils are a great set of freehand stencils, I use them all the time and have really only tried fire once (it was awful). SO the stencils are worth having I think.

In the second DVD, he does walk through the specific step, twice actually, once on a test panel, once on a hot rod. Interesting, but expensive....